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FLF691031 Oct 31, 1969; Pinellas County, FL
Topic Started: May 20 2008, 12:21 PM (1,930 Views)
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Specific Case
Medical Examiner District: 6
Their Case Number: 1969-03733
Date of Death or Discovery: 1969-10-31
Estimated Age of Decedent: 21-35
Presumed Race: White
Gender: Female
Estimated Height: 5'-6'
Estimated Weight: 130 lbs
Additional Details:
Location Found: 4200 34th Street South, St. Petersburg
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Facial Features: Mole on left cheek. Mole on right forearm. Mole on left thigh.
Tattoos: None
Scars, Surgeries and Other Dental and Medical Information: Possibly had small partial upper front plate. Poor oral hygiene. Surgical absence of all wisdom teeth.
Jewelry: No details available.
Clothing and Shoes: Nightgown
Personal Effects: No description available
Other Details: No additional details available

For more information about this case, contact:
Michael Britt with the District 20 Medical Examiner Office
239-434-5020, extension 1 or
michaelbritt@colliergov.net

FLUIDDB Case ID: 633
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I found the following article which includes photos of her dental charts , and more info on her.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=6BIOA...identified+body

second part of the article is page 25 of 63.

Transcribed:
St. Petersburg Times – Nov. 5, 1969

Burial Services Planned For Unidentified Body
By Don Stark
of the Times Staff
Funeral services will be held today for the unidentified, unclaimed body of a young woman found strangled and stuffed into a trunk last Friday off U.S. Highway 19 in St. Petersburg.

Graveside services are scheduled at 2 p.m. at Memorial Park Cemetary, 2900 54th Ave. N.

Simmons Funeral home will be paid a $250 fee for the burial by Pinellas County from a fund set up to pay for funerals for deceased persons who had been recipients of welfare payments and could not afford burial services.

Dr. John Shinner, assistant South Pinellas medical examiner, released the body yesterday to the funeral home.

He said he checked with police and completed his examination

“We’ve got all the tissue and blood samples we need, plus e-rays of her entire body,” Shinner explained. “I saw no further need to keep her in the morgue any longer,” he said.

He said Mound Park Hospital “handles the burial arrangements with the funeral director on the rotation list.”

The funeral home also provides the cemetary burial lot and a minister. Rev. Robert Barber, a Methodiat minister, will officiate.

Efforts to learn the woman’s identity have, so far, been in vain.

The trunk in which the woman’s body was found has been sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington for detailed analysis.

Police Lt. Charles Meyers said, “we’ve received about 100 telephone calls” from persons who have friends or relatives missing. He said “many of the (the calls) have been eliminated by detectives checking them out and some we’re still working on.”

An autopsy revealed the woman had given birth “but not within the past six month.”

There were no visible scars, marks, moles or birthmarks on her body, police said.

Shinner’s report said the woman had neither tonsils nor adenoids and at one time “had a mild gall bladder disease.” Scar tissue on the right lung indicated the woman at some time had pleurisy, the report stated.

Her blood type was A-Rh positive, a rare type which shiner said “puts her in a class with about 1.9 per cent of our population.”

Meyers said the American Dental Association’s monthly news magazine (which goes to press Thursday) has agreed to publish the woman’s dental chart. The magazine is sent to all dentists in the United States.

A dental examination showed the woman wore a partial plate containing horseshoe-shaped, plastic, front teeth and two side teeth. She had six other teeth extracted.

Meyers is hopeful that “some dentist in the area may have worked on her teeth and could identify her from her dental chart.”

The black steamer-type trunk with the woman’s body inside was found by an unidentified man near a restaurant parking lot at 4200 34th St. S.

The woman was clad in a thin, green, shortie nightgown. A cord, similar to a string-tie, was found loosely wrapped around her throat, but police would not say if it was the murder weapon.
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photo here
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still no sketch on doe network but this is the link
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Investigators work hard to identify the nameless
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 06:09 PM


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Sally was found on Halloween 1969.

Her 5' 9" frame was stuffed into a new black steamer trunk near a St. Petersburg restaurant. She wore a short green nightgown. Her brown hair was still set in pin curls.

Sally, as the lead detective called her, was strangled.

Investigators never found her killer. They also never learned her real name.

Sally is one of 24 bodies that the Pinellas-Pasco County Medical Examiner's Office has not been able to identify, despite advances in modern technology.

Case No. 1990402: black male, 25 to 35 years old. 5-foot-5, 132 lbs. Witnesses watched the man jump from the Pier, yelling and fully dressed on April 2, 1999.

"Death is a very uncertain thing," said Bill Pellan, the office's investigations director. "It's a 24 hour, 7-days-a-week job that you always have to be ready for the unknown."

Pellan's six investigators tackled more than 1,900 cases last year.

The bodies arrive in various states of identification. They work with police to give victims a name. Most are identified easily by police, he said.

But for some, like the many who jumped from the Pier, answers are hard to find.

Pellan, 40, can remember when he started in 2000, carrying around a beeper or bag cell phone to get death notices. Now, he carries a Blackberry so he can get instant updates.

Mornings are the busiest. Investigators have to process the bodies that arrived overnight.

When a body starts out without a name, one of the first tasks is to enter the deceased's description into a database to be cross-checked with the national missing persons database.

Investigators have an array of methods they use to identify someone, from fingerprints and dental records to scars, tattoos and surgical pin serial numbers.

For skeletal remains, investigators turn to sketch artists to make facial models. An artist made three depictions of a man from a skeleton found in Tarpon Springs in 2005. One shows him clean shaven, another with a beard, the third shows him wearing a knit hat found at the scene.

Still, no one has come forward to claim him.

Case No. 20020945: sawed-off femur bone. Found in canal by fisherman near 4201 38th Ave. S in 2002.

This case didn't look good from the start.

Investigators sent the thigh bone to forensic anthropologists at the University of Florida's C.A. Pound Human Identification Laboratory.

A bone's length can help determine a person's height and gender, said lab director Michael Warren. The amount of curve in the bone also can help guess the person's race. African populations tend to have a slight curve; Asian and Native American populations have more.

"It's amazing what a forensic anthropologist can do," Pellan said.

Anthropologists determined the femur belong to an older white man.

Investigators then turned to DNA, which they generally use as a last resort because of time.

It can take up to 12 weeks to get results from the state lab because there is such a backlog, said Robyn Ragsdale, of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Investigators compare results against the national Combined DNA Index System, or CODIS, which contains samples taken from people who are arrested or convicted of crimes. Different states have different rules for when a person must surrender a sample.

In Florida, only convicted violent or sexual offenders must give a DNA sample. In Virginia, anyone convicted of a felony must provide a sample.

On June 26, 2007, Case No. 20020945 got a real name.

Bryan E. Bailey, a Missouri native convicted of murder in Florida in 1989, was in the national DNA database. Police notified his family, who still lived in the St. Louis area.

Case No. 5080370: white male, 50 to 65 years old. Found near a bank at 600 Cleveland St., Clearwater, hours after death, on March 8, 2008. Jeans, blue sweater, Size 13 loafers and blue ball cap. Possibly homeless.

The case seemed relatively simple. The body was intact; rigor mortis had just set in. A homeless man noticed the body hadn't moved in more than four hours, so he called police.

Pellan was sure they would identify him.

Fingerprints are the easiest and most efficient way to identify bodies.

In 2003, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office gained access to the AFIS, the national FBI fingerprint database.

That helped investigators clear four cases right away. One was Aaron Israel Jones, 25, who was found floating in Tampa Bay at the Vinoy Basin on Jan. 26, 1998. His death was ruled a drowning, but police don't know if it was murder, suicide or an accident.

But the national database didn't help with the man in the baseball cap. A medical examiner determined he died of a prescription overdose. But they still don't know his name.

Investigators tried DNA and dental records. No hits.

His file remains on a shelf in the forensic science office.

"I'm just so surprised that no one has claimed him," Pellan said. "It's kind of frustrating because with some exposure, someone has to know him."

The man was buried at Sunnyside Cemetery. Bodies are released and buried by the county's health department. Skeletal remains are kept at the medical examiner's office.

"There's nothing else I can do for this individual but hope someone recognizes him," Pellan said.

Case No. 03733 is the office's oldest. No DNA or fingerprints exist in the file.

Sally would be about 70 now. Her parents are probably dead.

"DNA is a wonderful thing, but unfortunately we didn't have it," said retired St. Petersburg police Sgt. Bill Carlisle. "We didn't even know how to spell it back then."

Although he retired from the police academy in 1993, Carlisle said he can't forget Sally.

"Nobody's proud of a case they didn't solve," Carlisle said.

The databases Pellan routinely uses now to identify bodies didn't exist then. Neither did his office.

Pellan knows there is little he can to help Sally. But his investigators work hard on each case wheeled into the doors on Ulmerton Road.

"We do get passionate about doing everything we can to get those people ID'ed," he said.

And when a match is made, there's a sense of closure for both the families and the investigators.

All that's left to do is put a name on the file.

Jackie Alexander can be reached at (727) 893-8779 or jdalexander@sptimes.com.
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Bodies of decades-old murder victims to be exhumed
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By STEPHEN THOMPSON | The Tampa Tribune

Published: February 4, 2010

Updated: 06:08 pm

ST. PETERSBURG - One is known only as "Marie,'' a teenage girl who was shoved into the path of an oncoming car on June 9, 1973.

No one knows the name of another, a woman found left in a trunk behind a oyster bar on Oct. 31, 1969. Nor does the man found shot to death in his hotel room on April 26, 1980.

What the trio has in common, aside from dying violently in St. Petersburg, is that they are all buried in separate graves at the Memorial Park Cemetery in St. Petersburg. And next week, in a first-time, high-tech effort to identify them, their remains will be exhumed.

"It's something we have to do," said Brenda Stevenson, a civilian investigator with the St. Petersburg Police Department who works cold cases. "Hopefully, we'll be able to close some cases and get some families some closure."

In preparation for the exhumation, Erin Kimmerle, an anthropologist from the University of South Florida, will arrive at the cemetery Friday with sonar equipment to detect exactly where the bodies are, Stevenson said.

After the exhumation, the Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner's Office will send bone and tissue samples from the remains to an FBI lab so DNA profiles for the three can be created, authorities said. The profiles will then be run against a national database of missing people's DNA to see if there are any matches.

There was no reason to exhume the bodies before, Stevenson said. They all died before DNA technology had developed to the point where anyone was able to glean genetic fingerprints from bone or tissue samples. "DNA didn't exist back then," she said.

The missing person database itself didn't get up and running until 2001.

Remains have been exhumed before on one or two occasions, but in those cases investigators had an idea as to who they belonged to, said Bill Pellan, director of investigations for the medical examiner's office. Next week's efforts represent the first time remains are exhumed without detectives having any specific identifiers against which to compare them.

It could be the start of a trend.

One reason the remains will be exhumed is that the management at Memorial Park Cemetery – which is at 54th Avenue and 49th Street North – has agreed to disinter them at the cemetery's expense, and it's not clear authorities would have gone through with the operation had the cemetery not agreed to pick up the tab.

Pellan said authorities are also in contact with Royal Palm Cemetery, in south St. Petersburg, and it looks like it, too, will take part in a disinterment of a body there without charging anyone. Authorities also plan to talk with a cemetery in Pasco County, he said.

All told, the medical examiner's office has a list of 24 John and Jane Does who have turned up over the last 40 years, including the three at Memorial Park Cemetery, Pellan said. While some are buried in cemeteries, the remains of others are kept at the medical examiner's office.

Only three of the 24 died in the last 10 years, a testament to a combination of ever-improving technology and merged national databases, Pellan said.

One important one is the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System, or NamUs, which actually contains two databases – one for unidentified remains and one for missing persons – plus search engines the general public can use to find a match.

Profiles on the three in the Memorial Park Cemetery have already been entered into NamUs, Pellan said, though those profiles do not yet include a DNA genetic fingerprint, as some profiles in the database do.

In some of the three St. Petersburg cases, a killer has been brought to justice, or at least charged, St. Petersburg police said. The man who shoved "Marie," Lawrence Edward Dorn, was initially charged with manslaughter, though the charge was later dropped.. And a man was also arrested in the motel room shooting.

Only in the case of the woman found strangled in a trunk has no one been charged.

But Stevenson said identifying remains is important to families left in the dark as to the whereabouts of their loved ones.

Pellan said there's no guarantee DNA profiles will be gleaned from the exhumed remains, and that's especially true in the older cases, because remains degrade over time.

"We have to try and get a profile before it's too late," he said.

The exhumation will take place Wednesday.

Reporter Stephen Thompson can be reached at (727) 451-2336
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Retired police detective haunted by unsolved murder watches exhumation
By Andy Boyle, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, February 11, 2010
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ST. PETERSBURG — It was Halloween 1969. Payday for St. Petersburg police Sgt. Bill Carlisle. His police chief joked they needed some excitement, maybe a bank robbery.

Instead they were called to the scene of a gruesome murder that has haunted Carlisle to this day and drew him to a chilly St. Petersburg cemetery Wednesday morning.

Carlisle watched as a new set of investigators worked to exhume the body of a woman in her 30s found dead that Halloween day in 1969 in a steamer trunk near the parking lot of the Oyster Bar Restaurant. The rope used to strangle her was still around her neck.

Carlisle and his detectives interviewed scores of people, checked with luggage manufacturers and talked to the FBI. Seven missing women matched the body's description, but the case was never closed and the woman never identified.

It is one of three unsolved homicides with unidentified victims that cold case investigators are now determined to crack.

So, as Carlisle watched, investigators and a team from the University of South Florida spent Wednesday morning exhuming the bodies from Memorial Park Cemetery. They hope to match the DNA from the bodies with the families of missing people nationwide.

Carlisle, 83 and long retired, saw the body put in the ground. He wanted to see it come out.

"It still haunts me," he said. "I dream about it. Believe me."

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In June 1973, a teenage girl from the Carolinas reportedly named Marie was involved in an altercation with a man who pushed her into the path of an oncoming vehicle. Marie died on impact. The man was charged with manslaughter, the charges were dropped and the criminal case was closed.

Marie's real name was never discovered.

In April 1980, two men were shot to death in Room 15 at the Siesta Motel. Neither man had identification, but one was later identified. The second, a white man in his 30s, was never identified.

Kyle Coy "Cowboy" Watson was charged with murder. He was shot to death a few months later outside Knoxville, Tenn. Case closed.

The teenage girl, the man in the motel and the woman in the trunk were buried in plots next to a sprawling tree. No headstones marked their graves.

Now they were being dug up from their potter's field. Maybe they would soon be reburied with names.

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Brenda Stevenson, a civilian investigator who works with homicide detectives, said examining the bodies brings some closure to families, if not justice.

In 2008, Stevenson discovered the identity of a body found in 1989 using DNA. She said they have an obligation to the victim's families to let them know what happened to their missing loved ones.

"How do you go 20, 30, 40 years without knowing what happened to your daughter or son?" Stevenson said.

John Bunnell, the cemetery's general manager, agreed to exhume the bodies at the cemetery's expense, and Erin Kimmerle, a USF forensic anthropologist, helped police and the Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner's Office unearth the bodies Wednesday. Some of Kimmerle's students assisted.

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As police, professors and students dug and sifted through dirt, Carlisle stood nearby watching.

After his 20 years with the St. Petersburg Police Department, he retired and taught at the police academy for 16 years. Some of his former students were at the exhumation and thanked him for showing up.

He used the steamer trunk case as a teaching tool at the academy. It showed that you can have the what, where, when, why and how, and it still doesn't matter much without the who.

After glancing at all of the new tools unavailable 40 years ago, he had one thought: "I just hope it works."

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ST. PETERSBURG, FL -- His hair has turned silver and he wears a hearing aid, but the homicide case retired Police Sergeant Bill Carlisle worked way back in 1969 still haunts him to this day.

"There she was, packed in, inside that foot-locker. Five-foot nine. The foot locker was only 35-and-a-half inches long. It was completely intact. Fetal position," said Carlisle.

The young woman found strangled inside a black trunk in the woods was never identified.

"I still think about it," said the retired police sergeant.

The "Trunk Lady" mystery remains the oldest cold case homicide in St. Petersburg.

"It's a tough case when you don't know who you're talking about. You got a problem," Carlisle says.

But he's hoping her grave at Memorial Park Cemetery will yield new clues.

"We're just using the back hoe to get down the first few feet and then we'll go in with shovels and trowels and excavate by hand," said Dr. Erin Kimmerle.

USF students and forensic anthropologist Dr. Kimmerle are digging and sifting with special equipment.

Investigators believe even skeletal remains might help. "There are family members across the country submitting DNA samples to go into the database, hoping for some type of information as far as what happened to their loved one," said Cold Case Investigator Brenda Stevenson.

It's not just one murder victim they're working to unearth. There are actually three exhumations.

Two more murder victims rest here, with no headstones, like the "Trunk Lady".

"I think everyone on our team feels very dedicated to helping the families and viewing this as really the right of families to know what happened," said Kimmerle.

And maybe, even solve a 40-year-old murder.

"Whoever it's assigned to, pursue the investigation. Start from scratch," said Carlisle.
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Case Information
Status Unidentified
Case number 69-3733
Date found October 31, 1969 00:00
Date created April 08, 2008 00:00
Date last modified June 01, 2012 12:18
Date QA reviewed September 01, 2008 08:12
Local Contact (ME/C or Other)
Agency Dist 6 Medical Examiners Ofc
Phone 727-582-6800
Case Manager
Name Forensic Investigations
Phone 727.582.6800
Circumstances
Location Found
GPS coordinates
Address 1 Oyster Bar
Address 2 4200 34th Street South
City St. Petersburg
State Florida
Zip code 33711
County Pinellas
Circumstances of death
White female found in plastic wrapped with masking tape in a steamer trunk behind a bar. Trunk was manufactured by Nonbreakable Trunk Company and was 35 1/2 x 16 1/2 x 20 1/4.


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The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
Evelyn Hartley 1937 Wisconsin
Mary Little 2008 Georgia
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