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| Fort Meyers 8 skeleton case on AMW | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 18 2008, 01:24 PM (545 Views) | |
| Ell | Jan 18 2008, 01:24 PM Post #1 |
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the case of the 8 skeletons in Fort Meyers will be aired on AMW on Sat. Night. if you go to the AMW site, or look in the cabinet, I have posted the reconstructions... |
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| truthseeker | Jan 19 2008, 12:35 AM Post #2 |
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Yeah, I will finally get to watch it, I think. I have a meeting at work at 9:00pm. |
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| Ell | Jan 19 2008, 10:29 PM Post #3 |
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Did anyone get to watch this show???I didn't get to... |
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Ell Only after the last tree has been cut down; Only after the last fish has been caught; Only after the last river has been poisoned; Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. | |
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| monkalup | Jan 19 2008, 10:33 PM Post #4 |
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The Old Heifer! An oxymoron, of course.
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I actually watched it. It was interesting, all info is supposed to be on the site as well. |
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Lauran "If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't do that, you are wasting your time on this earth." The late, great Roberto Clemente. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. | |
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| Ell | Jan 19 2008, 10:52 PM Post #5 |
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OK thanks , maybe they will re-run it ... these are my special cases... |
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Ell Only after the last tree has been cut down; Only after the last fish has been caught; Only after the last river has been poisoned; Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. | |
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| monkalup | Jan 19 2008, 11:08 PM Post #6 |
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The Old Heifer! An oxymoron, of course.
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A mystery, 8 skeletons in Fort Myers Posted on Tue, Sep. 18, 2007Digg del.icio.us AIM reprint print email By FRED GRIMM fgrimm@miamiherald.com RONNA GRADUS/MIAMI HERALD FILE, 2007 Detective Sgt. Jennifer Soto of the Violent Crimes Division of the Fort Myers Police Department, left, and forensic anthropology consultant Dr. Heather Walsh-Haney confer about the remains found near the city's downtown.Six months have passed. Yet the only name attached to those forlorn remains is John Doe. John Doe times eight. An ecologist doing advance work for a developer found the first of the skeletal remnants March 23 in some scrub land along a dirt road on the outskirts of Fort Myers. By evening, police found seven more. Unidentified bodies aren't rare finds in South Florida. They're pulled from canals, ditches, rock pits, mangrove stands. The nameless are discovered on construction sites, along lonely roads. Florida's Gulf Coast hasn't been immune. After all, the notorious Edgar Watson, whose plantation deep in the Everglades became the infamous depository of unidentified bodies at the turn of the last century, is buried in Fort Myers Cemetery and later inspired Peter Matthiesen's Killing Mr. Watson. "We find quite a few unknowns. Probably more than the citizenry thinks, " said Heather Walsh-Haney, a forensic anthropologist at Florida Gulf Coast University and an unpaid consultant with the district medical examiner. But eight unknowns? In the same patch of woods? "I think it shocked the community, " said Walsh-Haney, who has been working the case since that long March day spent digging through the muck beneath the bones. WHO WERE THESE MEN? As unsettling as the discovery of so many bodies has been the failure to attach names, families, addresses or personal histories to those bones. Oh, we can rationalize the occasional single unknown found in some forlorn place. A discard from a transient society. A young runaway. An old drunk. A drug-addled prostitute. Friendless. Estranged from his or her family. Adrift from society. Broward and Miami-Dade medical examiners have records of unidentified bodies that date back to 1950. But the discovery of eight sets of unidentified bones can't be shrugged off. They were eight white males, Walsh-Haney found, between 18 and 45. Placed in that woods 1980 and 2000. Seven of the eight skeletons had teeth that told her that they were of a socio-economic class that could afford good dental care. Not migrant farm workers, probably, but men likely moored in America's middle class. Six months later, they remain nameless. Eight men who were probably murdered. Their work, family and lives brutally ended. Yet no one can name the victims. How could someone pluck eight men out of a community like Fort Myers -- a town not yet engulfed in anonymous metropolitan sprawl like the other South Florida coast -- and no one notice? There's some hope that a forensic sculptor can approximate a degree of facial reconstruction from the skulls. Maybe someone, somewhere will recognize something familiar in her clay faces. THOUSANDS UNIDENTIFIED Florida has more than 500 bodies without names. Nationwide, the estimates run from 13,000 to 50,000 -- a variation that can be blamed on the lack of a unified national reporting system. The Justice Department, just this year, started a website to help relatives of the nation's 100,000 or so missing persons search out the dreadful matches with the unknowns. Some of those relatives are pushing for a federal data bank that would match familial DNA of the missing against the unknowns. The mystery in Fort Myers lends their project a grave urgency. If a lovely, prosperous Florida community can't name eight victims found in its midst, we're left to wonder what kind of society we've become. "It's an important question, " Walsh-Haney said Monday. She was still searching for an answer. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/st...tml#recent_comm |
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Lauran "If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't do that, you are wasting your time on this earth." The late, great Roberto Clemente. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. | |
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| monkalup | Jan 19 2008, 11:10 PM Post #7 |
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The Old Heifer! An oxymoron, of course.
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I was a little disappointed because it was a short segment, actually two short segments. And I had hoped for an entire show. There were some details given, like one man being short and muscular, all having good dental care except one. My Miami friend tells me this is getting some play in Miami, where many of those men may have come from. |
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Lauran "If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't do that, you are wasting your time on this earth." The late, great Roberto Clemente. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. | |
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| truthseeker | Jan 19 2008, 11:22 PM Post #8 |
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I remember the forensic dentist stating that these guys had their wisdom teeth and were all functional. Where most people have theirs extracted, these guys didn't. I enjoyed the show, but as Lauran said, it was two short segments. Something was mentioned about this being the work of one or more serial killers. Came across that they are certain it is a SK. Also there was not any trauma to the bones. This would lead me to think that they were strangled, but then I believe there is a bone in the neck that get broken with strangulation. |
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| Ell | Jan 19 2008, 11:29 PM Post #9 |
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Mabe they were drugged... and Lauren glad to hear of the Miami connection being possible .... Right Deb! |
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Ell Only after the last tree has been cut down; Only after the last fish has been caught; Only after the last river has been poisoned; Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. | |
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| monkalup | Jan 19 2008, 11:30 PM Post #10 |
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The Old Heifer! An oxymoron, of course.
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I also found it odd that these guys look so much alike, yet apparently they are not related and have been killed over a long period of time. Also points to a serial killer. The other thing pointed out, as in the newspaper, Ft. Myers is not exactly a hot bed of young people. These findings would make more sense in some place like Miami, a mecca for young handsome people etc. So it does seem like these guys were not local (such disappearances I think would have been noticed in Ft, Myers although unremarkable in the Keys, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, etc. I think the strangulation bone is the hyoid bone, but it is not always broken from what I have read. It often is, but not always. Perhaps this killer has a technique or uses some instrument that leaves this bone intact. |
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Lauran "If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't do that, you are wasting your time on this earth." The late, great Roberto Clemente. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. | |
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| monkalup | Jan 19 2008, 11:32 PM Post #11 |
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The Old Heifer! An oxymoron, of course.
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A friend in South Beach tells me there is some buzz about some missing guys from SoBe. I asked him to get me details, names,etc. and to call the Medical examiner! |
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Lauran "If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't do that, you are wasting your time on this earth." The late, great Roberto Clemente. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. | |
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| truthseeker | Jan 20 2008, 12:42 AM Post #12 |
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Yes, the Miami connection in deed! |
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| truthseeker | Jan 20 2008, 12:46 AM Post #13 |
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I hope your friend can find names . Lauran, do you remember the details about the skull that was more brown than the others? I was lead to believe it had been there longer. |
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Debbie Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around. Leo Buscaglia | |
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| monkalup | Jan 20 2008, 11:21 AM Post #14 |
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The Old Heifer! An oxymoron, of course.
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didn't they say one skull had been there since the late 80's and the others ranging all the way to 2000? |
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Lauran "If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't do that, you are wasting your time on this earth." The late, great Roberto Clemente. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. | |
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| truthseeker | Jan 20 2008, 02:14 PM Post #15 |
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I thought their general scope was 1985 - 2000, I think the brown one was the oldest being exposed to elements longer. I wish I had taped it, for reference. I haven't been to the AMW site yet to see if they put exactly what the anthropologist said. |
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