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| CK9, E3g, UM1 or SF3; Need some input about these IEMs | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 22 Mar 2007, 08:34 PM (2,056 Views) | |
| nofing | 22 Mar 2007, 08:34 PM Post #1 |
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Hello, this is my first post here. I've been using e2g for a while and am planning to change. I was at Farle (Funan) and Jaben (Adelphi) today and tried out lots of IEMs. (Wilson is a damn nice guy.) Anyway, Ii found myself particularly attracted to the ck9s. Even Wilson found it weird especially after I had heard the um1. Lol. But the um1 does seem a little muffled and the sound is rather dead, no life. Bass still ok. But the main problem is the muffled effect. Else for the price and design it's good. Oh and the cabling is kind of short. The Y connector is so near to my neck like it's a choker. The sf3 sounded likeable. No real flaws but then again it didn't leave me wanting more. Just a very friendly pair of IEMs. But the design is really bad (Frankenstein ears anyone?) and the wire, well it's been touched on many times so I shan't go there. The ck9 on the other hand (sorry if I'm a bit biased, but honestly after hearing both e3c and e4c,which costs a heck lot more, the ck9 just blows them away.) are much, much clearer and the sound stage is wider too. Some people say the treble rolls off, but then I don't really understand what they mean by that. Maybe someone could enlighten me? I listen to a quite a variety of music. From Chinese pop (Fish, A*Mei) to mainstream pop/pop rock or whatever they call it nowadays (My Chemical Romance, Dashboard, All American Rejects) to alternative rock (Nickelback) then the trash metal (Metallica, Linkin Park). So it's kind of hard to find a one size fit all genres IEM. Even Wilson pointed out that I'll probably end up like most of you guys having a couple of IEMs for different genres. But that's going to hurt my pocket a lot. Too much in fact. So back to the ck9. I've searched around on-line, and ck9 ain't exactly the most popular IEM (I think the most popular low/mid range IEM has to be the um1.) In fact the ck7 seems to be more popular on-line. However the guys at Farle said that both the im716/616 and the ck7 are way out of the ck9 league. Didn't try those 2 out so I'm not too sure about that. But what I am sure about is that the e3c and e4c are very disappointing. maybe it's the fitting or something I really do not know. I guess the main thing for me right now when it comes to choice of IEM would be the clarity (very important), good mids and highs. I used to be a bass head but I've grown out of it. Heh. So bass need not be thundering just sufficient enough to balance the music. Point is, right now I need some input about the conclusions I've arrived at regarding these IEMs before I finally take the plunge and trade my e2g for something better hopefully. P.s. I'm seriously quite decided on the ck9 but am open to suggestions. Thanks! Moderator edit: formatted for better readability - Scanfiend
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| aaron-xp | 22 Mar 2007, 09:07 PM Post #2 |
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Trust your ears. If you do think that you prefer the CK9 to the other more popular, "better" choices, then get it. Everyone has different perceptions of what is good, so it is great that you have found what you prefer. (By the way, could you double enter for a new paragraph? Your post was rather long, had some problem reading as the paragraphs are rather cluttered up. Oops, sorry for this random ramble.) |
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| nofing | 22 Mar 2007, 09:18 PM Post #3 |
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Ok, will take the double spacing into account. Looks like I'll go for the ck9 then. By the way, you're with SE right? |
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| aaron-xp | 22 Mar 2007, 09:31 PM Post #4 |
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Nah. That's Aron. I'm politically, economically, socially, mentally and physically (other than my stomach. Okay, bad joke. ) neutral.Enjoy whatever IEM you would be getting.
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| leeivan86 | 22 Mar 2007, 09:39 PM Post #5 |
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Well, I feel that your ears should be your own judge. You have already listened to all those iems. Choose the one which you like best. What some other people may like may not be suitable for your taste and listening preferences. |
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| superlight | 22 Mar 2007, 09:43 PM Post #6 |
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me too prefer the ck9 & sf3 to um1. i guess alot depends on the rest of your gears & your taste of course. i have the sf3, do give it a try again. i always like the "house" sound of ultimate ear, have tested the sf5 pro & i love it....my next upgrade for sure! & no more Frankenstein ears if you do the FS mod. happy hunting
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| nofing | 22 Mar 2007, 10:04 PM Post #7 |
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Sf3 don't sound extra ordinary or anything. Well maybe that's their strong point. They just sound nice. What's the FS mod? Read the 10 tips. Have to agree with no. 6 man. Money doesn't seem to fall from the sky does it? |
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| eugen3 | 22 Mar 2007, 11:28 PM Post #8 |
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Hm, um1 no life? why would you say so? |
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| drumbass | 22 Mar 2007, 11:34 PM Post #9 |
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have to agree with the above.. i made my plunge into the sf3 as i really liked the sound.. audio stuffs you really have to depend on your ears.. for me.. ck9 was too bassy for me.. and in your opinion they might be just right for you.. so ya.. just keep auditioning until you found the pair that is perfect for you.. off topic: any links to the FS mod??? sure like to know about it..
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| liquidfireboy | 22 Mar 2007, 11:55 PM Post #10 |
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I've the CK9. Good: Reasonably bright compared to UM1/2. Bass is not bad, but a little weak. Soundstage is ok. Bad: Female vocals are too cold. The CK9 also sounds slower compared to Sony E888, much less say UM2. Elva Hsiao's 爱的主打歌 was unbearable on the CK9. |
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| theory_87 | 23 Mar 2007, 12:06 AM Post #11 |
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ok. CK9 which is 1 of my favorite IEM, do have its flaws. The treble roll off meaning those high frequency notes can't be reproduce or drop off in volume. Give Triple.Fi 10pro, Er6/i or Er4 a listen and you will know what it means. CK9 also have low bass roll off and slightly bloated mid/high bass. For a single driver IEMs, CK9 have fairly huge sound stage and heavy on bass. To me, at the given price range, only im716, sf3 and ck9 is worth buying. im716 have more details than any other the IEMs in it price range (it even have more details than sf5p). But it may sound too dry to some and its a pain to most for wearing it. sf3 is fairly similar sounding to ck9 in my opinion. ck9 will edge out having a slightly warmer sound signature, heavier bass and sleeker fit. at times, i found ck9 treble sound too harsh. To my ears, sf3 is much more comfortable. |
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| scanfiend | 23 Mar 2007, 12:18 AM Post #12 |
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You have lots of good replies and advice here, nofing
Like they say, just go with what your ears tell you. I have the CK9, and I like it for my morning commutes. The build quality is excellent, isolation is good, and it's comfortable to wear. I would describe the sound quality as good, and remarkably neutral. It uses balanced armatures for its drivers, and such drivers are known to have treble roll-off, meaning it does not reproduce higher frequencies well. Whether or not that presents a problem for you will depend on the type of music you listen to. From what I gathered from your posts, you seem to like the same kind of sound signature like I do. I know it may be hard to find some now, but have you tried the OVC TC20's? Paired with a good amp and a good source, the sheer details and the super wide soundstage it can produce may be to your liking
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Amps (Portable): XM3, Xin Supermini v5, GoVibe V5, Xenos REP, Portaphile V2^2 (maxxed), Headroom TotalAirHead, Xtra X-1, RSA Hornet-M (Gold), Headamp AE2, Headamp Pico, Graham Slee Voyager Interconnects: Currently: xxx's Red Series, ALO SCD (AU/AG) Amps (Desktop): Firestone Audio Beyond, Firestone Audio Little Country Headphone/earphones: Sennheiser HD590, AKG K601, Grado SR80, Grado MS Pros, Denon AD5000, Denon C700, OVC TC20, Sony EX90LP, AT CK9,CrossRoads Mylar (1-3), UE TripleFi 10 Pro, UE-11 Pro Sources: Panasonic CT820, Creative Zen Vision:M, Creative Zen X-Fi (32GB), iAudio X5L, Apple iPod Nano 8GB 2G, Apple iTouch (16gb), Samsung YH-J70SB, Cowon D2, Sony NW-A808, Sony NW-A829, Sansa Clip (4GB), Sansa Fuze (8GB) | |
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| nofing | 23 Mar 2007, 07:37 PM Post #13 |
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Gee, thanks for all the feedback man. Will take them into consideration. Actually typed a nice long reply in school library but my great friend just had to come over and alt-f4. So I'll just make do with a shorter one then. I saw the OVC TC20s. Don't know how good they are but they're similar to the Crossroads is it? And regarding amping. Can ALL portable sources be amped? Cos Wilson told me my mp3 player couldn't be amped. But I've seen players connected to amps via the headphone jack. By the way I'm using a Samsung flash player, similar in form and function to the 1st Gen shuffle but it has a screen. Oh ya I found the er6 to sound rather close to the ck9. Very slight difference. But Wilson cautioned me against er6 saying Etymotic service quite jia lat better off with the ck9. Also the er6 has rather thin wires. Will that affect the sq? The ck9 wires are slightly thicker though not as thick as the e2g but probably won't wear down like my Sony MDR71 where the wire just started disintegrating and peeling off even after rather decent care.For the bass and treble rolling off, I didn't really notice that during my audition with it. What I did notice was less sibilance. The higher and lower frequencies rolling off don't really matter to me since I think I'm partially deaf due to my music blasting days previously. Probably need to see an audiologist soon if I keep this up. The UM1s don't sound lifeless in fact I found their sound reproduction to be very sincere. It doesn't rush to pipe the sound out. But it's the muffled-ness. Like a veil over it or something. The full sound just doesn't come through. Anyone else experienced this before on the UM1s? On a separate note, I'll be getting the ck9 tomorrow probably. Maybe I should audition the UM1, er6 and e3g again? Lol, then I'll get all muddled up over which one to choose. |
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| superlight | 23 Mar 2007, 10:11 PM Post #14 |
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FS mod=flip side mod=interchanging the cables of sf iem...ie R cable to L driver, vice versa. now the driver is worn in another way without sticking out too much. a neat & simple mod but hard to explain, details here -http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.p...light=flip+side (pics on pg6) happy flipping go easy on the pins though
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| nofing | 23 Mar 2007, 10:34 PM Post #15 |
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Nice mod. But I'm still stuck on ck9. Thanks anyway. |
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| drumbass | 23 Mar 2007, 11:31 PM Post #16 |
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i suppose all UEs are capable of that?? the pins scares me.. <_< EDIT: i just did the mod and it feels great.. the fit is comfy for me and the seal is perfect.. no more mucking around as well.. to put it in a simple term, the cables still go to where they are supposed to be ie left to left ear and right to right ear.. just that the 'heads' of the IEM switches places.. |
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| theory_87 | 23 Mar 2007, 11:53 PM Post #17 |
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Oh. The reason why we say your player is not suitable for amping is due to: Player DAC => player headphone amp => portable amp => IEMs The player headphone amp already degrade the sound quality. Using a portable amp will amp the degrade sound and therefore, we say player without lineout is not good for amping. For player with lineout, Player DAC => portable amp => IEMs You get a cleaner signal this way. |
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| aaron-xp | 24 Mar 2007, 10:46 AM Post #18 |
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^ There should be some benefit right, however minimal. The amp adds some impedance so as to reduce hissing, if I am not wrong. |
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| superlight | 24 Mar 2007, 11:10 AM Post #19 |
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actually can do a "test-fit" before doing the FS mod. just wear the R side to L ear (with the logo facing inside). i did not do the mod becos seldom use my sf3 nowadays
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| superlight | 24 Mar 2007, 11:18 AM Post #20 |
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agree which dap when using line-out wil bypass the "player headphone amp"? thanks
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| AgentVX | 24 Mar 2007, 12:28 PM Post #21 |
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Hehe yup you're not alone on that, I got the exact same feeling when I auditioned my friend's UM1. In the end, again, it's down to personal preference and going with what your ears tell you. My friend prefers that sort of sound signature because he finds it less fatiguing for long listening sessions. |
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| scanfiend | 24 Mar 2007, 12:47 PM Post #22 |
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Using your portable amp from the headphone-out is a hit and miss affair, depending on the player concerned. From my experience, if you want the best results from using a portable amp, you have to use a line-out from the player. For example, my Cowon D2 and the Samsung HDD player sounds funny when I amped it from the headphone out
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Amps (Portable): XM3, Xin Supermini v5, GoVibe V5, Xenos REP, Portaphile V2^2 (maxxed), Headroom TotalAirHead, Xtra X-1, RSA Hornet-M (Gold), Headamp AE2, Headamp Pico, Graham Slee Voyager Interconnects: Currently: xxx's Red Series, ALO SCD (AU/AG) Amps (Desktop): Firestone Audio Beyond, Firestone Audio Little Country Headphone/earphones: Sennheiser HD590, AKG K601, Grado SR80, Grado MS Pros, Denon AD5000, Denon C700, OVC TC20, Sony EX90LP, AT CK9,CrossRoads Mylar (1-3), UE TripleFi 10 Pro, UE-11 Pro Sources: Panasonic CT820, Creative Zen Vision:M, Creative Zen X-Fi (32GB), iAudio X5L, Apple iPod Nano 8GB 2G, Apple iTouch (16gb), Samsung YH-J70SB, Cowon D2, Sony NW-A808, Sony NW-A829, Sansa Clip (4GB), Sansa Fuze (8GB) | |
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| nofing | 24 Mar 2007, 09:57 PM Post #23 |
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So the issue lies with bypassing the internal amp? Then why do people still connect their amps via the headphone jack? Unless there is a significant improvement I suppose. Got my ck9 from Farle today cos Jaben didn't have black. Lol. Only problem I have with the ck9 is the sound isolation. It fits snugly in my ears but unlike the e2g can still hear people loud and clear. Maybe it's because the e2g literally use their mass to cover the entire ear opening? Else I have no regrets with the ck9. Oh ya, what's a lineout? Is it a separate jack on your player? For the iPod they connect to amps via the dock connector. Is it possible for mine to connect from the usb port? |
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| norseman | 24 Mar 2007, 11:44 PM Post #24 |
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That's the lineout. On some players, its via the dock connector. On others, its a separate jack. |
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| theory_87 | 25 Mar 2007, 01:26 AM Post #25 |
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some players like iRiver H100/300 series have built in lineout. Others just trying to run a heavy impedences IEMs/Headphones from a headphone out or they do hear improvement with amping. Having said, scanfiend had said eariler on it a hit or miss affair. Players like iAudio X5/L and iRiver H10 headphone out is relatively good for amping in my opinions but not iPod and Creative. About your ck9 fit, if you manage to catch me at Jaben, i can show how to wear it to obtain a good fit. I found that i can't wear it the way AT shown in their promotion pictures where ck9 sit in my ears like um1. |
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| theory_87 | 25 Mar 2007, 01:34 AM Post #26 |
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all players when using lineout, the sound signal will bypass the player internal headphone amp. Some players with lineout support will be ipod (except shuffle), Creative Zen Vision 'M, iAudio X5/L |
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK˛III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| theory_87 | 25 Mar 2007, 01:38 AM Post #27 |
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In my case with iaudio U2 and TF10p, it degrade the sound quality. About the hissing, I not really soure about it. Some people said it does help to reduces, but others said it actually amplify the hiss. Best is that you hear it out yourself to decide if the hissing is actually reduces or amplify. End of the day, you are the one listening to it
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| nofing | 25 Mar 2007, 04:26 PM Post #28 |
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The ck9 fit need to fiddle around abit. But I think I got it. Its sort of like propped out against your ear and not resting on it but it still remains within your ear. Sounds weird but that's the way it appears to me. Even then some ambient noise still gets in. Maybe I should try a bigger size sleeve. |
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| liquidfireboy | 25 Mar 2007, 04:38 PM Post #29 |
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The CK9's L eartips are only slightly bigger than the Shure's M tips. If the CK9's L tips are still not big enough, you need to fill it up (mod) with UE foams. |
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| superlight | 25 Mar 2007, 05:06 PM Post #30 |
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using 30gb ipod video line-out, EQ settings on the ipod will still affect the SQ, does this means already bypassed the "internal headphone amp"? thanks
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