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Grado Fans in Singapore; HEADPHONE
Topic Started: 21 Mar 2007, 02:11 PM (2,598 Views)
MARCPKH
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Dear ALL

Since there's an Alessandro appreciation thread, guess it is timely to start one for Grado! Any forumer here owns the grado??

Marc :P
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genocide
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i own a sr 225 and loving it very much :D
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osocan
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Spot reserved. Might get 1 :D
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MARCPKH
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Mar 21 2007, 03:50 PM
Spot reserved. Might get 1 :D

Dear Osocan

U already own the MS-1 so why not upgrade to MS-2? BTW I also have the MylarOne and now looking at either the MS-1 or SR60? Any advice which to get for unamp MP3 player?? Vocal & jazz is my usual listening preference

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They say too much of a good thing is bad :lol: This is exactly how I felt about the MS-Pro. The MS-1 is my main listening phone at home and it is wonderful. I havent heard the MS-2 yet but if I might interpolate it, the MS-1 would be just nice for me. Anything more than that would be an overkill for me. Will take a listen with the 325 and RS-1 and decide whether I would like to continue down the Grado route.

Both Grados and Alessandros are low impedance phones and can be driven from the headphone out although they should benefit from amping. In fact I auditioned both the SR-80 and MS-1 from the iPod headphone out before committing. One surprising discovery is that I find the MS-1 synergise better with the CrossRoads than the Tomahawk. Go figure B)

I havent heard the SR-60 but I found the SR-80 cleaner and leaner when compared to the MS-1 which is dirtier and punchier (just nice for rocking with Queen :thumbup: ) If you are really bent on the Grado sound, the SR-60 / 80 might be your cup of tea. Just my opinion. You should really listen to them and decide for yourself :)
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My First REAL audiophille headphones were SR-60s, which I still own to this day.
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I own :

SR-80 - More of the rough and tough use, especially after a bath when my hair is still wet.

GS-1000 - Extremely good can for for low-level listening. :D
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SR-60 owner here, bought 2 years ago still using it
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I own the SR60s too. Its been 9 years. I just gave them an 'upgrade'. GS1000 bowl pads, bought the last one hahaha. its pretty expensive but it improved my sound stage so much. the separation has also improved significantly. the only gripe i have is that its now a little too shrill
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yuujin
Mar 23 2007, 12:17 AM
I own the SR60s too. Its been 9 years. I just gave them an 'upgrade'. GS1000 bowl pads, bought the last one hahaha. its pretty expensive but it improved my sound stage so much. the separation has also improved significantly. the only gripe i have is that its now a little too shrill

Did you buy it at MBD on 22 Mar 5pm +?

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Dear Proud owner of Grado

I am deciding between SR60 or SR80. I like the details of SR80 but the high is a bit too shrill for some musics. The SR60 lack control but the laidback bass seem to add warm. It seem to me that most SR60 fans tend to keep the headphone for long time but the SR80 owner seem to upgrade it after a period of listening pleasure. Why? The other concern is that the SR80 may not be best driven by a portable Flash MP3 player as compare to SR60 even though both have same impedence. I wonder whether BETTER quality players like Sansa E270 will have no prob driving the SR80? SR80 owners can you please comment?
Thanks :P
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MARCPKH
Mar 23 2007, 09:48 AM
Dear Proud owner of Grado

I am deciding between SR60 or SR80. I like the details of SR80 but the high is a bit too shrill for some musics. The SR60 lack control but the laidback bass seem to add warm. It seem to me that most SR60 fans tend to keep the headphone for long time but the SR80 owner seem to upgrade it after a period of listening pleasure. Why? The other concern is that the SR80 may not be best driven by a portable Flash MP3 player as compare to SR60 even though both have same impedence. I wonder whether BETTER quality players like Sansa E270 will have no prob driving the SR80? SR80 owners can you please comment?
Thanks :P

Since you have already heard both, then go with your heart. Why are you so concerned about what other people did or might do? :)
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uh yes. you were the guy testing the rs1 and the gs1000?
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yeah...I was actually auditioning the RS-1 and 325. I have previously heard the GS1000. Small world :)
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MARCPKH : The Sensa will definitely not have any problems driving the SR-60/80. But hey adding an amp will definitely improve things but whether it is worth it or not depends on different individuals.




By the way, I have been reading through a lot of user postings and I realised that most people think that a lower impedance means that particular headphone is easy to drive. That is only true to a certain extent. Yes, you can definitely drive a pair of can's to a very loud volume if the impedance is low.

But that doesn't mean the sound produced will be of good quality (loud volume but low quality). Let's take the GS-1000 for example, it is only rated @ 32ohms but try driving it out of an iPod headphone out and you get one of the shrillest, thinnest and disgusting sound you will ever hear from a Headphone of that caliber and yes, you get that disgusting sound in super loud volumes if you crank the iPod volume up.

However, try plugging it to a good amp connected to a good front end source with good cables of course and you will be treated to a marvelous headphone experience. It might be one of the finest headphones you will ever hear depending on your taste and musical preference.

So guys, never use impedance values alone to judge whether a headphone is hard to drive, you might also want to take into account the current draw and the voltage swing required for the headphone to sound at it's best.

Cheers. :D
People call me things like nuts, crazy and insane, I just tell them I am very serious when it comes to my hobbies.

What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve.

The most important thing in this hobby, sit down with a nice drink and enjoy the music. =]
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MARCPKH
Mar 23 2007, 09:48 AM
Dear Proud owner of Grado

I am deciding between SR60 or SR80. I like the details of SR80 but the high is a bit too shrill for some musics. The SR60 lack control but the laidback bass seem to add warm. It seem to me that most SR60 fans tend to keep the headphone for long time but the SR80 owner seem to upgrade it after a period of listening pleasure. Why? The other concern is that the SR80 may not be best driven by a portable Flash MP3 player as compare to SR60 even though both have same impedence. I wonder whether BETTER quality players like Sansa E270 will have no prob driving the SR80? SR80 owners can you please comment?
Thanks  :P

Grados are not generally useful as portable headphones as they tend to leak too much sound and because its design does not provide any isolation from the environment.

Unless you're going to be doing your listening primarily at home, I would suggest you stay away from open headphones like the grado (unless of course your primary purpose is to show off, then I won't stop you).

IF you can really hear the difference between the SR60 and the SR80, then I salute you and I would recommend you get the one that sounds better to your ears. BTW, did you listen to them with the same type of foamies or did you listen to them with their stock foamies? Me Personally, I can't hear the difference between the two (using the HD414 pads, with the 50c mod), so I bought the cheaper one. I've had it for the better part of 5 years... going to 6 and I still enjoy listening to them (in the office, off my pcdp)

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Dear Ryner & YongChris,

I finally pick-up a SR80 from a good fellow in the forum. However what surprise me is that when i hook up to my audiolab 8000A & Marantz CDP63 SE, I HARDLY hear any low bass extension coming from the track of Pearl Habour. :shock: The details is there but the sound stage is vey constricted. Even my mylarOne IEM has better punch & lower bass than the SR80 :blink:
May i ask our good grado fans here how long does the Grado headphone takes to burn-in before it is open up and low extension start revealing? I believe teh SR80 shd have better low bass kick but apparently my newly acquired SR80 dont seem to have that characteristics.
The previous owner bought the SR80 2 months back but only play it for less than 5 times.
Your comments are greatly appreciated.
I really appreciated Ryner for enlightening the fellow forumer here that low impedence does not mean the headset will work well with any portable players which is a misconception that most peoples believe and worst still, some dealers may wan to use this reasoning to hard sell their gadgets. Since i am new to this forum even though i am active in other hifi forum like echoloft, i guess it's better for our forum master like Ryner to make the clarification. Well done Ryner! :thumbup:
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the MBD guy was ABIT pushy, ended up not getting the SR60, becuase it just didnt make me feel right.

also if you are planning to get a pair of headphones for use at home, remember this piece of advice zonalblitz told me.

what can be portable, can be used at home, what is used at home, cannot be portable.

so i settled for something else instead of the MS-1's :D
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MARCPKH
Mar 24 2007, 08:11 AM
I finally pick-up a SR80 from a good fellow in the forum. However what surprise me is that when i hook up to my audiolab 8000A & Marantz CDP63 SE, I HARDLY hear any low bass extension coming from the track of Pearl Habour. :shock: The details is there but the sound stage is vey constricted. Even my mylarOne IEM has better punch & lower bass than the SR80 :blink:
May i ask our good grado fans here how long does the Grado headphone takes to burn-in before it is open up and low extension start revealing? I believe teh SR80 shd have better low bass kick but apparently my newly acquired SR80 dont seem to have that characteristics.

I'm not surprised by your impressions, I also find that the MylarOne has much better bass extension than my SR-60.

Perhaps you can try experimenting with pads - you can get the Sennheiser HD414 pads (the yellow ones) at a very reasonable price from various Grado/Alessandro dealers. From what I understand, the bowl pads (which come with the SR-80 by default) are the least bassy of all the Grado pads. Switching pads will probably not help with deep bass extension but it should give the mid/upper bass a bit more presence and impact. :D
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According to some Forumer, it may takes up to 40 hrs of playing time to open up the SR80, Not sure is this the case with Ryner set?? If wat AgentVX mentioned is true... then in the first place, i shd not even get the sr80 since i was hoping for better slam with the SR80 with amplification!! :(
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Mar 24 2007, 12:02 PM
the MBD guy was ABIT pushy, ended up not getting the SR60, becuase it just didnt make me feel right.

also if you are planning to get a pair of headphones for use at home, remember this piece of advice zonalblitz told me.

what can be portable, can be used at home, what is used at home, cannot be portable.

so i settled for something else instead of the MS-1's :D

what can be portable, can be used at home, what is used at home, cannot be portable.

I'm stealing this for my signature.
awesome.

Marc,
Are you listening to the grados outside? Your surroundings will have a great effect on the bass you hear.

I'm sorry to say this, but maybe you should've tried other brands before settling on the grados. The Grados do have bass, but due to the design of the headphones, a lot of the bass will leak. Your mylarones will definitely give you an impression of better bass because it's right in your ear, and sealed in your ear canal. The grados on the other hand are really really open. The bass is probably just not getting to your eardrums.

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Dear YongChris

Greeting from Kyoto,Japan... at least someone care to reply to my post..not heard from Ryner though. Well i am testing the SR80 using my Audiolab + Marantz CDP63 SE at home so not many surrounding noise though. I begin to think after noting so many MS-1 user that my choice of SR80 maybe a mistake... But still will wait for it to burn in to decide next best thing to do... I initially wanted to use the Grado with a Flash MP3 player unamped and now it seem that maybe SR60 be a better bet... sign :huh: :(

MARC
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Hi Marc, sorry for the late reply, I have been pretty busy the last few days.

To reply to your questions. Yes, things does improve after some time, but my experience with the SR-80 is that it has a lot of mid-bass (hence the punchy sensation) but it's lacking a bit in the deeper bass region. If you are looking for deeper bass, you should be looking elsewhere maybe at the SR-225 and above or at the Alessandro lineups. :D
People call me things like nuts, crazy and insane, I just tell them I am very serious when it comes to my hobbies.

What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve.

The most important thing in this hobby, sit down with a nice drink and enjoy the music. =]
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Dear Ryner

Appreciate your feedback and i guess i shd ve stay with the MS-1 OR sr60 then but well let me play with the SR80 for a while and then move on to the Alessando series... Meanwhile i like mylarOne man... getting better each day of listening just hope the problem of the driver will not come back again...

Cheers
Marc :lol:
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I own a SR80, would like to audition a SR225, and if I like it I want it!
But most of the time I still use my Senn HD 580 at home, cause for the more comfortable choice, I prefer cups around my ears then on my ears.
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