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| Larry | 5 Nov 2006, 11:47 PM Post #1 |
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Can anyone tell me the different between super.fi 5 pro(sliver coated cable) and UM2 in as detail as possible? I will be very grateful.
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| theory_87 | 6 Nov 2006, 12:19 AM Post #2 |
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what kind of detail you need? to my ear SF5p: Slightly recess in mid. Bass is consider well control and treble is fairly decent. more lively presentation compare to UM2 um2: bass sounds muddy to me. bass also overpowering the mid. treble there is rolloff. um2 is a dark IEM to me. Suggestion: Best is that you head down to jaben or SE to hear them yourself... |
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| zonalblitz | 6 Nov 2006, 12:49 AM Post #3 |
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Hi Larry, Perhaps you might want to check out the Ultimate Ears Super.fi 5 Pro & the Westone UM2 review available in the forum to aid you. Personally, like Theory has said, each of us have different listening tastes. His example of SF5Pro being slightly recessed in Mids & UM2 overpowering bass and dark signature; personally I would not agree. As Theory has said previously; try out the earphone. Have fun! Cheers! |
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| ahdui | 6 Nov 2006, 12:50 AM Post #4 |
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oh, so many ppl's ears are lying to them including westone researchers? most claim that um2 was the dominant iem for mids. the bass is indeed quite strong and abit muddy but it has nv overtaken the sweet warm mids. |
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Transportable: iRiver h120(2300mAh)→Sysconcept Optical Cable→AOS Electornics Co. Piccolo DAC→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ TCu IC→ahdui's Enfo PA-1→Custom Shure SE530 Backup: AMB y-1 DAC (MisterX Mod) Cycling: Sansa Clip 4GB→Philips SHS3200 Earhooks Portable: Rio Karma→UltimateEars Super.Fi 5eb Backup Rig: RedWineAudio 40GB iPod Photo→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ RBT IC→iBasso P3 Heron(ahdui Mod) →Custom Shure SE530 Home: "Upgrading In Progress"→Alessandro MS Pro/JVC HP-DX1000 Desktop: PC→Belden 1505F→CityPulse DAC 7.2x II→Belden 89207→KRK Rokit Powered 5 | |
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| Ryner | 6 Nov 2006, 12:52 AM Post #5 |
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IMHO, the UM2 mids are not overpowered by the bass at all, well it all boils down to personal preferences, the genre of music played and equipment used etc. One man's meat is another man's poison like they say. But the best way to know the difference between the two is to go audition to them with music that you are familiar with. |
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People call me things like nuts, crazy and insane, I just tell them I am very serious when it comes to my hobbies. What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve. The most important thing in this hobby, sit down with a nice drink and enjoy the music. =] | |
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| TopGun | 6 Nov 2006, 12:57 AM Post #6 |
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Larry, larry, well what can I say, you've started it. Try and read through next time.. we have a few reviews available on the forums.. The Superfi.5 Pro done by zonalblitz here's another thread dedicated to the Westone UM2 http://z10.invisionfree.com/sgaudio/index.php?showtopic=40 So far, IMHO, I've tried the UM2 unamped and amped various times, to get myself suited to the sound signature so that I can further appreciate it. I believe that the UM2 has very warm mids but to me, I found that it is indeed softer and not as detailed and clear as the ER4P which has an exaggerated midrange (which I like!) The Superfi.5 Pro is indeed an all-rounder IEM, better yet test it out yourself @ Jaben before making any decisions. If you stay further up North, you might want to pay Stereo Electronics a visit. Heard from others over at SgH he has very good service. But I still prefer Jaben personally though.
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| theory_87 | 6 Nov 2006, 02:24 AM Post #7 |
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haa... it only my opinion so don't flame me... hee... |
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| ahdui | 6 Nov 2006, 02:28 AM Post #8 |
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dont worry, we mean no harm
just pointing out our opinions
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Transportable: iRiver h120(2300mAh)→Sysconcept Optical Cable→AOS Electornics Co. Piccolo DAC→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ TCu IC→ahdui's Enfo PA-1→Custom Shure SE530 Backup: AMB y-1 DAC (MisterX Mod) Cycling: Sansa Clip 4GB→Philips SHS3200 Earhooks Portable: Rio Karma→UltimateEars Super.Fi 5eb Backup Rig: RedWineAudio 40GB iPod Photo→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ RBT IC→iBasso P3 Heron(ahdui Mod) →Custom Shure SE530 Home: "Upgrading In Progress"→Alessandro MS Pro/JVC HP-DX1000 Desktop: PC→Belden 1505F→CityPulse DAC 7.2x II→Belden 89207→KRK Rokit Powered 5 | |
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| Ryner | 6 Nov 2006, 02:45 AM Post #9 |
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Yup, don worry bout it, we are not flaming you or anything we are just voicing out our own opinions. |
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People call me things like nuts, crazy and insane, I just tell them I am very serious when it comes to my hobbies. What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve. The most important thing in this hobby, sit down with a nice drink and enjoy the music. =] | |
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| theory_87 | 6 Nov 2006, 03:23 AM Post #10 |
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haha... So TS, you can see... everyone ears hear differently. so you should go hear it before buying... |
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| Larry | 6 Nov 2006, 06:22 AM Post #11 |
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hey thanks guys. thanks for your review abt SF5P and UM2. I am currently using SF5P. Source is Creative MuVo Slim and a Go-Vibe with Mamba-D. To me i find that the treble something overpower the mid. this is because of the Source or the IEM? that's why i ask for the diffferent between this 2 IEM. |
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| Fongalv | 6 Nov 2006, 08:10 AM Post #12 |
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IMO, the weakest link here is the source itself...Muvo Slim to me has a very "thin" sound from what I remember(my sis used to have one)...besides you are amping from the headphone out isnt it...thats not really recommended unless you have a "better" DAP... how do you find the sound without the go vibe? or maybe you can try out another IC like the python? btw...dint you try on both UM2 and SF5P before you bought them? that might have saved you some "buyer remorse"... |
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Music, without life is lame...Life, without music is crippled... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rigs(outdated image): 32Gb S9 →SMicroIV → e500C → me 2200mAh H140(RB) → Grover S → SMacro3v6/Diablo → e500C → me Philips CD850(circa '90s!) → 1694A → DA7.2x(TCXO) → Grover UR8 → SP MPX3 SLAM → '03 DT880 / DBE V3 → me
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| Larry | 6 Nov 2006, 08:16 AM Post #13 |
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the sound w/o go vibe is like not "healthy" as in u have to focus to listen to all the instrutment.. after a go vibe as pre amp the sound is more "healthy" and don really have to focus to heard all the soudn and improve in soundstage imaging. as for the review i read be4 i bought SF5P about this two IEM is that UM2 have stronger bass which i don really need those bass. as for sf5p the review is that it have better clarity which i want.. cos as u will on the move, u will heard the mid and high better more then the bass. this is how i feel. I was thinking to get an iPod Nano 2G cos it support wav format audio and it also have a true line out.... so do u think is this a good choice and will this improve the sound quality a lot compare to creative muvo slim? i am still new to headamp. so don really those IC u will saying. but i am curious wat they will do to the sound ya? and izzit expensive to change IC? |
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| Fongalv | 6 Nov 2006, 08:36 AM Post #14 |
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the problem is this...since the stock headphone out already sounds "unhealthy" to you, amping from the headphone out would serve to amplify the flaws even further... also please note that the go vibe is not a pre-amp, but an amp...AFAIK a pre-amp works with a power amp... and actually, people usually prefer a stronger bass on the move because more bass usually helps to overcome ambient noises..."less bass" or a "neutral/accurate" sound is more for critical listening in the comfort of your home...thats the general preference... and of course the Nano 2g would definitely be a better source considering how much better the recent iPods have been sounding, but then it still does not have a true lineout IIRC, but it works pretty nevertheless... |
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Music, without life is lame...Life, without music is crippled... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rigs(outdated image): 32Gb S9 →SMicroIV → e500C → me 2200mAh H140(RB) → Grover S → SMacro3v6/Diablo → e500C → me Philips CD850(circa '90s!) → 1694A → DA7.2x(TCXO) → Grover UR8 → SP MPX3 SLAM → '03 DT880 / DBE V3 → me
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| Larry | 6 Nov 2006, 08:46 AM Post #15 |
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oops hehe.... so UM2 does it have the same clarity as sf5p? which DAP have a true line out? and wat's the different between a amp and a pre amp? thnx fongalv... haha |
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| laser | 6 Nov 2006, 10:47 AM Post #16 |
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i dont think jaben has stock of superfi 5 pro currently rite... |
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| theory_87 | 6 Nov 2006, 11:19 AM Post #17 |
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jaben have sf5pro back in stock. but uncle wilson is in hk and will only be back by fri... so i'll be down during the weekend to get my sf5p... |
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| theory_87 | 6 Nov 2006, 11:23 AM Post #18 |
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um2 sound change alot on different ear sleeves... clarity is there. |
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| Qsilver2001 | 6 Nov 2006, 11:32 AM Post #19 |
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Nano max is 8gb wav format takes quite a chunk of space. For now don't think any DAPs had true line out. |
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| Fongalv | 6 Nov 2006, 01:59 PM Post #20 |
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well...if you are asking for MY opinion, neither SF5P nor UM2 sounds clear...to my ears/brain, the SF5P sounds overall more balanced across the spectrum while the UM2 sounds abit bass bloated TO ME...Im sure alot of people out there would wanna flame me on this, but I have to admit Im a Shure/ETY guy... In short simple terms, a pre-amp is usually fed into a power-amp, and both amps "work" on different parts of the sound signal. Im sure theres alot more detailed literature if you googled around a little. The only occasion Ive come across a "portable" Pre-Power combo os when some of the guys over at fixup.net hooked up TWO Xin SM...but this is usually considered overkill as pre-power are more used in HOME rigs... |
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| Larry | 6 Nov 2006, 02:28 PM Post #21 |
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Super.Fi 5 Pro & UM2 well.. i think i will stick with my current sf5p instead of changing to UM2 cos i personally find the um2 from so many user say that its slightly have stronger bass. the bass from sf5p i was very fine with it. wat's more i am not nuts abt bass... hehe... so.... Ultimate Ears Super.Fi 5 Pro... DAC is there any different between a ipod nano 2g and 8g in term if their quality and erm why ppl put a converter at the bottom yet ppl say is not a true line out ya? sry for all the question i ask.. i quite new to this stuff. thanks everyone reply my post... |
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| Ryner | 6 Nov 2006, 02:52 PM Post #22 |
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ok bro the stuff we shove below the ipod is called a lineout dock, it will make a lot of difference if you are going to use an amp. Anyway take things easy, we are all here to help one another.
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People call me things like nuts, crazy and insane, I just tell them I am very serious when it comes to my hobbies. What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve. The most important thing in this hobby, sit down with a nice drink and enjoy the music. =] | |
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| TopGun | 6 Nov 2006, 06:37 PM Post #23 |
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I've split your question into 2 parts : 1st, there should be no difference in terms of SQ for different capacity players but I would think that there will be longer loading times for the higher capacity one (can anyone confirm this for flash-based players?) for the same generation unless you are comparing the older iPod Nano 2Gb and the current iPod Nano 8Gb. Secondly, a line out means that after the conversion of digital signals (from your CD or digital files) to analogue signals so that it can be picked up by an amplifier for it to be played on a pair of transducers, which is your headphones/IEMs that consists of vibrating drivers according to the analogue signals (or vibrating electromagnetic films, if ya want to be anal about the types of headphones). Most people reported that some of the line outs (eg. iRiver H340) are actually shared with the headphone out. For the iPod's headphone out is not disabled when line out is plugged in. A true line-out will only comprise of weak analogue signals which shouldn't even have sufficient power to drive your headphones as well. But apparently, you can still hear music if u plug stuff into the line out section, hence the "fake" line out. Last but not least,
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| theory_87 | 6 Nov 2006, 10:23 PM Post #24 |
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ipod when lineout is used, the headphone out is not disabled. and the lineout like what you say can't drive a earphone to a decent volume. but eq setting do affect the sound And to the last part, i believe there is no way in music world i can convince others that this sound bad and that sounds good. every ear and brain is different so we hear things differently. So for sound part, it hard to put across to others how good it is or how bad it is unless they try it themself.
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| TopGun | 6 Nov 2006, 10:38 PM Post #25 |
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Now that's what I call a matured reply! However, we still need to give our opinions objectively, and try to put forward a sense of responsibility and maturity, yeah I'll go and reflect the part about the iPods. ![]() |
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| theory_87 | 6 Nov 2006, 10:50 PM Post #26 |
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:lol: yup. i had alot of misconception about ipod till i use them. i'll give my opinions objectively, and try to put forward a sense of responsibility and maturity when needed. anyway, i treat SGAudio as a big family
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Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear | |
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| cruise | 6 Nov 2006, 11:24 PM Post #27 |
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there isnt much (or negligible) difference with the lag time btw different capacity flash mem ipod.. but if u are going for HDD ipod, there is distinctive difference btw lag times.. this info was sponsored by BEST Electronic Store at Vivocity.. lol!~ i was meddling wit their ipods.. heh.. :rolleyes: |
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| Larry | 7 Nov 2006, 08:51 AM Post #28 |
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thanks guy for helping mi to understand audio world better. |
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| scanfiend | 7 Nov 2006, 09:25 AM Post #29 |
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Hi there Larry! You might want to do a bit of reading on the stickied thread on headphone amps and line-outs.
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