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Altec Lansing IM716 Review
Topic Started: 15 Oct 2006, 08:49 PM (4,396 Views)
theory_87
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Intro

Before getting iM716, I had used numerous earphones. but those were all budget in-canal phones....It started with Ex51, Ex71, LMX-E630 and the EP630. All the in-ear-canal phones I have used to date is very bass heavy (most had been modded).

But the IM716 changed my defination for bass. All the in-ear canal phones mentioned above deliver bass in quantity and not quality. 8 months ago, i decided to hunt for my 1st pair of IEM. I went to Stereo Electronic and Jaben to try out different IEMs but none suited me. I tried the Westone UM1 which people highly recommend but it was disappointing for me. My LMX-E630 sounded better as I felt that the UM1 lacked extension on the lows and highs.

The Westone UM2 is also highly recommended by many so I tried it... but found it too dark sounding. Bass is what I like but the mid feel recessed and overshadowed by the bass and treble wasn't sparkling.

At that time, IEM's were just starting to get popular in Singapore. Stereo Electronics had the UM1 and UM2 to try out and Jaben had the UM11, UM2, ER6i and ER6. Ultimate Ears (UE) was not even available in Singapore at the time. So I headed to Jaben to try the ER6i and that was when I met Wilson. He gave me alot of tips on how to choose IEMs. In the end, I fell for the ER6i sound signature.

My only gripe was that the ER6i was not bass heavy enough. So I started searching the Net for other IEMs and came accross the SF5pro. Read the description and thought it was the right one for me. Just when I'm about to place the order, Amazon started to sell the IM716 cheap. Reading through the user impressions at HeadFi, I concluded that the IM716 had the Etymotic sound signature but with heavier bass. Some even compared it to the ER4P. Since the price was cheap, I decided to buy it. After waiting for 2 weeks, it finally arrived and I have been happy user of it since. My IM716 has over 150 hours of break-in due to my heavy usage during FYP and IPP.

The Package

1 IM716 IEM
1 Spare filter and filter remover tools
1 Grey Triflange
1 Black Foamies
1 warranty card and free ear plug voucher (Only of use if you are in US)
1 Hard Case for storing iM716

Design and Cord

The wires are not as think as Shures or the Version 2 UE, but thicker than the UMs and the Etys. The wire had a rubbery texture. The 3.5mm jack is similar to LMX-E630 which look cheap to me at first. But it suited my current setup well. The IEM is white in colour which gets dirty easily so I had to clean it often. It is actually designed to be worn straight down the ears but I wear it looping over my ear so i don't feel the weight of the volume pod and reduces the microphonics by 90% (my estimation).

The volume pod is a plus to me. Mostly people hate it. I can adjust the volume without reaching for my amp. The filter is a problem here. It is hard to get at. In the end, I DIYed my own foam filter which I found to sound slightly better than original filter. The case that came along to store iM716 is huge and bulky. I can't use there is no room to store my iM716 with wire wrap. I use either a Ety or Westone case to keep my iM716.

Actual impedance:
HD mode : 68 Ohm
Bass mode : 36.8 Ohm

Devices Used For Review

ipod Nano 1st Generation with rockbox
Line Out Dock
DIY Canare cable with L shape Neutrik Plug
Pocket Ampifier 2 Version 2 (pa2v2)

Sound

The iM716 has a Bass mode and High Defination mode. In Bass Mode, it is warm sounding. In HD Mode, it is analytical sounding. The sound signature is similar to SF5pro and E4, though the bass sounds slightly better.

The iM716 sounds very different when amped. I also find the iM716 hard to drive. I tried it unamped straight out of my H10's headphone jack, buti had to crank it at almost maximum volume (35/40). I also tried it on an iPod and it managed to drive it well without an amp.


Bass
There is great extension in the Bass...
Bass Mode: It heavy, esp the mid bass. On par or even heavier than SF5pro.
HD Mode: It is much reduce and sound similar to Er4p but heavier. mid bass seems to be scoop out alot

Mid
It detail. recording flaws is easily reveal here.
Bass Mode: It warm. Even warmer than SF5pro. On par with E4 i would say (but not as smooth).
HD Mode: Typical Etys here... Mid is recess but it clean and detail (more than Er6i but slightly lower than Er4p)

Treble
There seems to be a treble boost here as in all Etys.
Bass Mode: Low treble seems to be eaten by the mid. But mid and high treble can be clearly heard
HD Mode: The treble is similar to Er4p but does not extend as far. Better than Er6i in my opinion

Comfort

Basically, do not expect iM716 to me a very comfy IEM like Er6i, UM1. It large noozle (compare to Ety, Shure, Westone) make it uncomfy and alot of people can't obtain a good seal.

The triflange is not very comfortable. In fact, It hurts my ears and i'm not able to get a seal. Foamie that came along is much more comfortable. But it cause itciness in my ears and stick out alot.

Ety Triflange moded to Biflange. Better seal but still hurt my ears. need to use the smaller flange as stalk else filter is reveal

Shure Triflange moded to Biflange. Hurt my ear after prolong usage. Things i hate about it is it will pick out your ear wax when took out from the ears.

Shure Soft Grey Sleeves. Quite comfy. Seal isn't the great but enough for most people.

Shure Clear Sleeves. Inserting part is a little pain. But once in your ear for sometime, it quite comfy and isolation is the greatest i obtain from any ear slevees. Sound stage is slightly wider. Could be due to the larger opening

UE Biflange. Some mod had to be done here. Gives a huge sound stage and very comfy but bass suffer... Bass may distort on some tracks and sound less heavy.

Conclusion

iM716 is a very capable IEM... It Bass and HD switch is useful when listening to different type of music and depend on moods. The Volume pod is either a like or hate. It handy for adjusting volume. Amp does help to bring iM716 to a new level. iM716 response very well to amping. Downside is hard to drive out of most players except ipods and newer iAudios.
By the way, iM716 is not a very sensitive as other IEM so pair it with pa2v2 does not make very audible hiss

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Filter Mod

Finally. Here comes my filter mod for iM716

Items needed. Thin Foam (can be obtain from those unwanted cushion), pin (to remove the default fiber on the filter)

Default look
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Use the pin to peel the white fiber (in my case, i use a shure filter remover to do it)
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Cut out the foam to a really small size and try to roll it into the filter hole
For me, i push the foam into the barrel. Reason is the prevent the foam from dropping out compare to just leave it in on the filter.
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Put the ear slevee back on and you are good to go :D
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From time to time i just use the filter remover to clean the filter like the shure and westone and use a cloth to wipe the noozle. The mod result the sound to be more airy and slightly warmer sounding
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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aux!
lol bringing in what you always love to share :)
anyway the red filter was d.i.y?

and a gentle reminder, pls post everything as 1 to keep the forum clean and neat :)
and also crop your pics to a reasonable size, thanks.
Transportable: iRiver h120(2300mAh)→Sysconcept Optical Cable→AOS Electornics Co. Piccolo DAC→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ TCu IC→ahdui's Enfo PA-1→Custom Shure SE530
Backup: AMB y-1 DAC (MisterX Mod)


Cycling: Sansa Clip 4GB→Philips SHS3200 Earhooks
Portable: Rio Karma→UltimateEars Super.Fi 5eb
Backup Rig: RedWineAudio 40GB iPod Photo→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ RBT IC→iBasso P3 Heron(ahdui Mod) →Custom Shure SE530
Home: "Upgrading In Progress"→Alessandro MS Pro/JVC HP-DX1000
Desktop: PC→Belden 1505F→CityPulse DAC 7.2x II→Belden 89207→KRK Rokit Powered 5



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Ah, thanks for the review and pics. I've always wondered how they looked like, and now I know. :P
Amps (Portable): XM3, Xin Supermini v5, GoVibe V5, Xenos REP, Portaphile
V2^2 (maxxed), Headroom TotalAirHead, Xtra X-1, RSA Hornet-M (Gold), Headamp AE2, Headamp Pico, Graham Slee Voyager
Interconnects: Currently: xxx's Red Series, ALO SCD (AU/AG)
Amps (Desktop): Firestone Audio Beyond, Firestone Audio Little Country
Headphone/earphones: Sennheiser HD590, AKG K601, Grado SR80, Grado MS Pros, Denon AD5000, Denon C700, OVC TC20, Sony EX90LP, AT CK9,CrossRoads Mylar (1-3), UE TripleFi 10 Pro, UE-11 Pro
Sources: Panasonic CT820, Creative Zen Vision:M, Creative Zen X-Fi (32GB), iAudio X5L, Apple iPod Nano 8GB 2G, Apple iTouch (16gb), Samsung YH-J70SB, Cowon D2, Sony NW-A808, Sony NW-A829, Sansa Clip (4GB), Sansa Fuze (8GB)
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Nice review!

Can teach how to do the Foam filter like yours?
Show some photo of the Foams too.
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ahdui
Oct 15 2006, 08:55 PM
lol bringing in what you always love to share :)
anyway the red filter was d.i.y?

and a gentle reminder, pls post everything as 1 to keep the forum clean and neat :)
and also crop your pics to a reasonable size, thanks.

as in this is a new forum, so i thought i can start of with a review. and i hope some other user will write reviews too...

about the posting, i'm not sure if this forum have limit of how many photos per post so it seperated out. about picture size, may i know your reasonable size? because i always post with 1024*768
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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thanks for your cooperation. try to keep it within 480x640 for other users to enjoy smooth browsing.

your efforts in posting this iM716 review is appreciated :)
Transportable: iRiver h120(2300mAh)→Sysconcept Optical Cable→AOS Electornics Co. Piccolo DAC→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ TCu IC→ahdui's Enfo PA-1→Custom Shure SE530
Backup: AMB y-1 DAC (MisterX Mod)


Cycling: Sansa Clip 4GB→Philips SHS3200 Earhooks
Portable: Rio Karma→UltimateEars Super.Fi 5eb
Backup Rig: RedWineAudio 40GB iPod Photo→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ RBT IC→iBasso P3 Heron(ahdui Mod) →Custom Shure SE530
Home: "Upgrading In Progress"→Alessandro MS Pro/JVC HP-DX1000
Desktop: PC→Belden 1505F→CityPulse DAC 7.2x II→Belden 89207→KRK Rokit Powered 5



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dle4e_2005
Oct 15 2006, 09:10 PM
Nice review!

Can teach how to do the Foam filter like yours?
Show some photo of the Foams too.

are you urgent to make your own filter? i'm starting sch tomorrow and i got other commitment so may not be able to post how to do it so soon...
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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Oct 15 2006, 09:58 PM
thanks for your cooperation. try to keep it within 480x640 for other users to enjoy smooth browsing.

your efforts in posting this iM716 review is appreciated :)

ok. i'll do that when i'm editing the post for the filter mod..
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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theory_87
Oct 15 2006, 09:58 PM
are you urgent to make your own filter? i'm starting sch tomorrow and i got other commitment so may not be able to post how to do it so soon...

No.
Since i got alot of Earphones to rotate to and the filter is still performing alright thanks to your teaching on washing of filter.
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*celebrates 1st post!* :P

Nice review. Keep it up bro!
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Oct 15 2006, 11:28 PM
*celebrates 1st post!* :P

Nice review. Keep it up bro!

you can do one for your sf5pro too...
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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nicely done!!! theory... mayb u can talk about how each amp affects the iM716 too... im currently holdin onto go-vibes... thot bought sellin a while ago (a few days back)... but decided not to instead... coz im startin to hear some difference... bass iz tighter, a lil more warmth and the soundstage involved a lil ( iM716 iz qt poor in terms of soundstage... to my ears tt iz).... not sure if itz placebo effect thou... lol~

btw... mayb if when ure more free dle4e_2005 and i can learn about the modded filter from u at jaben... :thumbup:
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Just a reminder guys.

it is fine to gather at Jaben but do give some respect to the owner (Uncle Wilson) some notice before doing so, it's not good to hog up the place w/o informing him isnt it?So,do go and inform him about it b4 the meetup or whatever so, I'm sure that if you asked nicely,you wouldnt be disappointed.

thanks.
Transportable: iRiver h120(2300mAh)→Sysconcept Optical Cable→AOS Electornics Co. Piccolo DAC→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ TCu IC→ahdui's Enfo PA-1→Custom Shure SE530
Backup: AMB y-1 DAC (MisterX Mod)


Cycling: Sansa Clip 4GB→Philips SHS3200 Earhooks
Portable: Rio Karma→UltimateEars Super.Fi 5eb
Backup Rig: RedWineAudio 40GB iPod Photo→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ RBT IC→iBasso P3 Heron(ahdui Mod) →Custom Shure SE530
Home: "Upgrading In Progress"→Alessandro MS Pro/JVC HP-DX1000
Desktop: PC→Belden 1505F→CityPulse DAC 7.2x II→Belden 89207→KRK Rokit Powered 5



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i should be doing a impression of Go-Vibe soon and can compare against crossroad and pa2v2.
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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theory_87
Oct 22 2006, 12:13 AM
i should be doing a impression of Go-Vibe soon and can compare against crossroad and pa2v2.

I request for a shoot out of the LDM+, Crossroads, PA2V2, and the GoVibe.
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hi there...

this is a aptly written, concised review with decent enough images to boot...good job! If you are planning to submit it for archiving purposes, I suggest correcting some of the errors in it yourself, and also including some concised "shootout" (how it pairs with certain amps you have access to for eg) if possible...also, "bolding/underlining" the headers for the individual sections would help for easier reading...

meanwhile, I think it would be good if you can incorporate in some of the more reasonable suggestions as you deem fit...

sorry if I sound too critical, but if we set things straight from the start, other will follow in your footsteps! B)



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Rigs(outdated image):
32Gb S9 →SMicroIV → e500C → me
2200mAh H140(RB) → Grover S → SMacro3v6/Diablo → e500C → me
Philips CD850(circa '90s!) → 1694A → DA7.2x(TCXO) → Grover UR8 → SP MPX3 SLAM → '03 DT880 / DBE V3 → me
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Oct 22 2006, 06:14 AM
hi there...

this is a aptly written, concised review with decent enough images to boot...good job! If you are planning to submit it for archiving purposes, I suggest correcting some of the errors in it yourself, and also including some concised "shootout" (how it pairs with certain amps you have access to for eg) if possible...also, "bolding/underlining" the headers for the individual sections would help for easier reading...

meanwhile, I think it would be good if you can incorporate in some of the more reasonable suggestions as you deem fit...

sorry if I sound too critical, but if we set things straight from the start, other will follow in your footsteps! B)

emm... care to explain more what you mean by more reasonable suggestions as you deem fit? anyway, thanks of your suggestions on how i can improve a review
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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Oct 22 2006, 12:18 AM
theory_87
Oct 22 2006, 12:13 AM
i should be doing a impression of Go-Vibe soon and can compare against crossroad and pa2v2.

I request for a shoot out of the LDM+, Crossroads, PA2V2, and the GoVibe.

i do not have a LDM+ with me anymore. i traded it for pa2v2
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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erm...I meant just follow-up on whatever suggestions that you feel is necessary...dont have to go out of the way to oblige...

for example buying a new LDM+ for the review... :huh: ...


Music, without life is lame...Life, without music is crippled...
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Rigs(outdated image):
32Gb S9 →SMicroIV → e500C → me
2200mAh H140(RB) → Grover S → SMacro3v6/Diablo → e500C → me
Philips CD850(circa '90s!) → 1694A → DA7.2x(TCXO) → Grover UR8 → SP MPX3 SLAM → '03 DT880 / DBE V3 → me
Bushguy @ Head-fi
 

Fongalv can have my firstborn in trade for his pair(of Darths)...

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Oct 22 2006, 03:00 PM
erm...I meant just follow-up on whatever suggestions that you feel is necessary...dont have to go out of the way to oblige...

for example buying a new LDM+ for the review... :huh: ...

:lol: new LDM+ impossible for me...
Source: Sansa Clip x 2 | iAudio U2 | Rio Karma | iPod Nano 4GB Gen 1 x 2 | iMod 60GB iPod Photo | iPod Gen 5.5 x 2 | iRiver H140 | HP Pavilion dv6121TX
Amp: Xin SuperMicro IV | theory_87's DPA1 | iBasso D10 Modded | iBasso fi.Quest | Onkyo TX-SV919THX | Yaqin CD1 Tube Buffer w Mullard E88CC | AMB CK²III
Heaphone/IEM/Speaker: CrossRoad MylarOne X3 | SoundMagic PL30 | Modded Altec Lasing im716 | Fischer Audio Eterna w modified UM56 | Custom Ultimate Ears® super.fi 5 Extended Bass™ | Custom Ultimate Ears® #4/1000 triple.fi 10 Pro™ + mid driver| ACS T1 | JBL PS100 & Yamaha VS10M
Others: xxx red series 3.5mm & RCA IC | DIY HGA 3.5mm IC | DIY Jena Cryo 3.5mm IC | DIY ALO SXC 3.5mm IC | Custom Optical IC | Ridox contact protector/enhancer | DeoxIT ProGOLD | Mapleshade SilClear
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would be glad to lend out my LDM+ for tis comparo but im in KL so if any1's wans to com up here.. hehe!

seriously though, i would lov to see tis comparo s i oso ordered a im716 (wen it waz us65@amazon. perhaps i'l giv my humble opinion wen (n if) my im716 coms in. s for d LDM+ generally, i find it juz ok esp for d cheap $$$. drives d ksc75 louder wit tighter bass but lacks overall resolution n soundstage IMO.
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Wait till you do the ksc75 mod + SPC cable :lol: :lol:
And you will go :o :o :o

@ Theory_87 if you want need a ldm+ to do a more full range review give me a PM. :D
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Oct 22 2006, 08:17 PM
Wait till you do the ksc75 mod + SPC cable :lol: :lol:
And you will go :o :o :o

@ Theory_87 if you want need a ldm+ to do a more full range review give me a PM. :D

dont know about spc recabling but my jaws hav been dropping daily weneva i driv d koss wit a better (eg. maxed ppav2 or even d discrete zhaolu) headamp!! i'l bet even money tat d lowly ksc75 will equal or mayb kick some grado booty. i know itz blashemy to d gradofans boyz but i'v got tis goofy huge smile on me so there!!!

iz even better now tat i'v bent d clips to make d koss clip tightly n closely to ma ears (warning:painful n very irritating if not fitted juz rite!). now if only i can do somthing about mess d cable makes :smack: .

luckily i do hav a spare ath es5 for d portable needs without d mess. btw, d es5's sound sweet wit d ipod shuffle (surprize surprize!). d koss realy needs amplification n d sound improves exponentialy wit great amps :thumbup: .

juz couldnt help myself wen i saw d DEAL at amazon for d im716 :HD600smile:
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"If you are sissy girl you can't adapt when something dangerous happens. But if you are extreme it's like another day at the office. In the long-term it's safer to live extreme than live like sissy girl.
If you are extreme and start relaxing, that's when the problems start. If you are a skydiver you eventually forget to bring your parachute" - PATRICK82
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Hi, Scottiebabie, welcom to our forums!

It seems that you have rather different findings about amping the ksc75(mine sounds worse amped), but thats another topic altogether and maybe we can share some info sometime somewhereelse so as not to OT too much in this thread...

btw I would appreciate it alot if you could type in full spelling in future because I have some difficulty following through the shorthand spelling...thanks!

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Oct 23 2006, 08:21 PM
Hi, Scottiebabie, welcom to our forums!

It seems that you have rather different findings about amping the ksc75(mine sounds worse amped), but thats another topic altogether and maybe we can share some info sometime somewhereelse so as not to OT too much in this thread...

btw I would appreciate it alot if you could type in full spelling in future because I have some difficulty following through the shorthand spelling...thanks!

to paraphrase britney spears "oops i did it again....!" :blush: . ya ur not the 1st to so kindly remind of my bad english (a certain other ...gun character oso made the same remark). no intention to confuse on my part, juz a dumb habit i picked up (or shall i say my ex forced me2) texting/sms'in when i got over this parts. will certainly try me best to return to civilized english :rolleyes: :lol:

to follow up on ampin the koss, i find it astonishing that u dont see an improvment. beside high impedance cans circa hd6x0, akg k701 and the like, IMO the ksc75 is 1of thoz cans that should come wit a package warning of "beware, serious amping required" :sweat: hehe! itz exactly becoz of this tat i decided to go for the im716. am tired of carring this huge ipod/amp/cable bundle (no to mention that i look like a serious nerd) and hav read that the im716 does nicely unamped :etys:

if no1 here has tried it, will be very happy to give an opinion on the sonic qualities of the im716 wen it arrives :grin:
In music the passions enjoy themselves.- NIETZSCHE

"If you are sissy girl you can't adapt when something dangerous happens. But if you are extreme it's like another day at the office. In the long-term it's safer to live extreme than live like sissy girl.
If you are extreme and start relaxing, that's when the problems start. If you are a skydiver you eventually forget to bring your parachute" - PATRICK82
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scottiebabie
Oct 23 2006, 10:44 PM
Fongalv
Oct 23 2006, 08:21 PM
Hi, Scottiebabie, welcom to our forums!

It seems that you have rather different findings about amping the ksc75(mine sounds worse amped), but thats another topic altogether and maybe we can share some info sometime somewhereelse so as not to OT too much in this thread...

btw I would appreciate it alot if you could type in full spelling in future because I have some difficulty following through the shorthand spelling...thanks!

to paraphrase britney spears "oops i did it again....!" :blush: . ya ur not the 1st to so kindly remind of my bad english (a certain other ...gun character oso made the same remark). no intention to confuse on my part, juz a dumb habit i picked up (or shall i say my ex forced me2) texting/sms'in when i got over this parts. will certainly try me best to return to civilized english :rolleyes: :lol:

to follow up on ampin the koss, i find it astonishing that u dont see an improvment. beside high impedance cans circa hd6x0, akg k701 and the like, IMO the ksc75 is 1of thoz cans that should come wit a package warning of "beware, serious amping required" :sweat: hehe! itz exactly becoz of this tat i decided to go for the im716. am tired of carring this huge ipod/amp/cable bundle (no to mention that i look like a serious nerd) and hav read that the im716 does nicely unamped :etys:

if no1 here has tried it, will be very happy to give an opinion on the sonic qualities of the im716 wen it arrives :grin:

im716 unamp sound slightly lacking as in my review stated. not all dap able to drive im716 properly to a comfort listening volume. and hope if your im716 arrive, you will not be disappointed if it does not sound as good as kcs75. anyway, it not fair to compare them
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Fongalv
Oct 23 2006, 08:21 PM
Hi, Scottiebabie, welcom to our forums!

It seems that you have rather different findings about amping the ksc75(mine sounds worse amped), but thats another topic altogether and maybe we can share some info sometime somewhereelse so as not to OT too much in this thread...

btw I would appreciate it alot if you could type in full spelling in future because I have some difficulty following through the shorthand spelling...thanks!

to paraphrase britney spears "oops i did it again....!" :blush: . ya ur not the 1st to so kindly remind of my bad english (a certain other ...gun character oso made the same remark). no intention to confuse on my part, juz a dumb habit i picked up (or shall i say my ex forced me2) texting/sms'in when i got over this parts. will certainly try me best to return to civilized english :rolleyes: :lol:

to follow up on ampin the koss, i find it astonishing that u dont see an improvment. beside high impedance cans circa hd6x0, akg k701 and the like, IMO the ksc75 is 1of thoz cans that should come wit a package warning of "beware, serious amping required" :sweat: hehe! itz exactly becoz of this tat i decided to go for the im716. am tired of carring this huge ipod/amp/cable bundle (no to mention that i look like a serious nerd) and hav read that the im716 does nicely unamped :etys:

if no1 here has tried it, will be very happy to give an opinion on the sonic qualities of the im716 wen it arrives :grin:

im716 unamp sound slightly lacking as in my review stated. not all dap able to drive im716 properly to a comfort listening volume. and hope if your im716 arrive, you will not be disappointed if it does not sound as good as kcs75. anyway, it not fair to compare them

som1 at headfi did a mod to remove d volume/sound selector switch. he replace d controller wit an inline replaceable resistor to adjust impedance (and hence sound). iirc he finaly settled on an impedance of 32-40ohm as the best compromize for detail sound with bass. mite be a good free mod to try out.

In music the passions enjoy themselves.- NIETZSCHE

"If you are sissy girl you can't adapt when something dangerous happens. But if you are extreme it's like another day at the office. In the long-term it's safer to live extreme than live like sissy girl.
If you are extreme and start relaxing, that's when the problems start. If you are a skydiver you eventually forget to bring your parachute" - PATRICK82
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TS, how do you straighten the wires of your iM716? :rolleyes:
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erm....
iM716 doesnt gt the sort of curly wires that u may find on some IEMs...
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Oct 24 2006, 11:14 AM
erm....
iM716 doesnt gt the sort of curly wires that u may find on some IEMs...

Mine isnt exactly straight, it's got this slight zig-zag shape since removing it out of the packaging. :(
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