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Do you believe in ghosts?; yes, another ghost topic
Topic Started: Apr 27 2008, 11:46 PM (538 Views)
VirusLord
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Apr 29 2008, 01:21 PM
VirusLord
Apr 27 2008, 08:16 PM
O_O

Out of six votes, I'm the only nonbeliever?  Wow...  Being a heavy believer in science and solid proof, I don't believe in ghosts (or gods).  I'm rather of the when-you're-dead-you're-gone belief.

*there'ssolidproofofgodcough*

I think that ghosts do exist... but not as most believe. They are real experiences to those who see them, not real things.

*coughkeeptellingyourselfthatcough*

Any clarification on that? It sounds like you're basically saying that they're as real as imaginary friends, if I read that correctly.
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I had a discussion similar to this in my English class.

I flat out do not believe in ghosts.

I feel like a lot of the stories that people tell have several obvious logical explanations to them. Even if they don't, I believe that people conjure the phantom image in their mind usually when they're paranoid. It happens to me too. I often look behind me when I'm home alone because I swear I'm being watched. But I really think that we're just imagining everything rather than it being real.
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Apr 28 2008, 01:00 PM
Leaning towards yes, but I don't really know. My view is very similar to cheese's; I watch a show called "A Haunting" on a regular basis, and while it is of course, TV, I can't help but feel as though there could be a grain of truth to the stories.

I will never be an absolute believer until I hear about some hard scientific evidence supporting their existence, but I do currently lean on the side of believing.

This surprises the shit out of me. I thought you'd be more along the lines of "no proof, no
dice" considering your views on Gods.
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TJ
Apr 28 2008, 01:00 PM
Leaning towards yes, but I don't really know. My view is very similar to cheese's; I watch a show called "A Haunting" on a regular basis, and while it is of course, TV, I can't help but feel as though there could be a grain of truth to the stories.

I will never be an absolute believer until I hear about some hard scientific evidence supporting their existence, but I do currently lean on the side of believing.

This surprises the shit out of me. I thought you'd be more along the lines of "no proof, no
dice" considering your views on Gods.

I'm assuming your knowledge my views on gods is outdated. Right now, I do not believe that any human can currently, or probably ever, say whether or not a god exists. While I don't think there is any substantial proof of the existence of gods, I do not believe there is any proof against the existence of gods either. I would rather the truth be that there are no gods, but I disregard the matter for the most part.

Ghosts, on the other hand, I believe may eventually be proven to exist or not; I don't believe any proof either way has been found yet, and it may never be. I would personally prefer for them to be real, myself, and lean on the side that they do, largely due to an experience my mom had, and watching A Haunting.
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@Virus: My view on 'god'- there has to be something that created the earth. The chances of a 'big bang' are lower than obsolete. That leaves only one logical option. I do not believe that whatever that higher power is is anything like what the religions describe him as.

People who love science too much tend to be forced towards uncomfortable conclusions. :lol:

And... you read the second part perfectly. There is no such thing as a spiritual manifestation whose purpose is to haunt, disturb, or otherwise harry humans. However, I do believe that the deviancies (is that a word?) related to such ghouls are real experiences, for which people create the explanation that (to them) seems most likely.
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Interesting, TJ. My view is similar - there is no proof either way, nor will there ever be. But I choose to believe simply based on the fact that it makes me feel better to believe such an entity exists somewhere. And I agree, gc, should he exist, he is nothing like the one depicted in the bible.
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~ Cybil Alinda, Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis

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If I believed in god, I'd believe that the Earth is a mere plaything to him, just a game. A really complex video game with incredible graphics, to put in our perspective, Star Ocean:TtEoT style. However, that still seemes ridiculously unlikely.

Maybe the universe wasn't created from a big bang, but I can't bring myself to believe that it was created by an all-powerful spiritual non-physical being who then simply stepped back and let the world run it's course without interference. Especially that spiritual part. I don't see how spiritual beings could exist, being made up of no matter whatsoever.
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@Virus:  My view on 'god'- there has to be something that created the earth.  The chances of a 'big bang' are lower than obsolete.  That leaves only one logical option.  I do not believe that whatever that higher power is is anything like what the religions describe him as.

People who love science too much tend to be forced towards uncomfortable conclusions.  :lol:

And... you read the second part perfectly.  There is no such thing as a spiritual manifestation whose purpose is to haunt, disturb, or otherwise harry humans.  However, I do believe that the deviancies (is that a word?) related to such ghouls are real experiences, for which people create the explanation that (to them) seems most likely.

The universe has had several billion years, according to science, to run its course. I would think that, throughout all these years, something like the formation of planets could occur by random chance.

If I have my information straight, science says we humans are basically just the result of several highly improbable, random occurences. As strange as it may sound, I take more comfort in believing this than believing that there's some spiritual being out there who had a grand master plan to create us all.

@cheese: While we both share the belief that the existence of a god is not something that can ever be proven or disproven, our preference is different. While you would like for there to be a god or gods, I don't, as I stated earlier. I don't like the idea that there's something significantly more powerful than us, something that could crush us in an instant if it decided to on a whim.
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I had noticed that, yes.
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~ Knoll, Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones

"Choosing not to decide is still a choice."
~ Cybil Alinda, Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis

"I'm very serious about not being serious about what I do."
~ Ric Orlando, two-time Chopped Champion

"Basketball cheesesteak."
~ Eidon, Magi-Nation
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I dont know if I believe in god so much as I believe in an afterlife, only because the alternative would rocket me into a life long depression.
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@Virus: You raise fair points, and I can say that I actually agree with most of them.

The problem for me: the theory of a greater power has been buried in evidence. I abide by the theory of Occam's Razor- if you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras.
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I have to agree with GC here.
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Fair enough. Though if I hear a booming voice, I'm gonna think megaphone and not God...

My views on life after death might be a bit depressing, but oh well. I'd prefer to concentrate on living for life rather than preparing for death.
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I can scientifically prove that boredom can kill you. However, by the time I figure out how to prove it, I'd have already died of boredom.
"If my back had lips and could reach around to my face, it would kiss me right now." - Me
"Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing." ~Ben Franklin
Hama (about Misha talking in her sleep): "Like 'Ungh' or 'Moheh' or 'Ah, no...' or 'Lyner, not in there...' or..." ~Ar Tonelico
"Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality." - Emil, ToS:DotNW
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^Me too, for both parts of that post.
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I have to agree with GC here.
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