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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 18 2009, 12:50 PM (549 Views) | |
| clutchmonkey. | Jun 19 2009, 12:58 PM Post #11 |
DA | i choose you, rapidash!
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usually i write in paragraphs but i'm so f  ing tired i'll just say thiswhy do people really want bp vents? - to make ct a little easier why do people really not want bp vents? - to keep t super easy the number of players on each team doesn't really make a difference - ct: kitty, skeet, rabbi, fat albert, girk VS. t: Player, random #1, random #2, I_SUCK, I_SUCK_TOO stacked teams will always be stacked teams wow i just blanked out for 5 minutes... hey a burger.  so one time there was a guy in uppers and he made a noise as he went up the ladder. i went to drop and sprayed the middle of uppers and he QQ'd about how i knew exactly where it was. bp'ing the vents would have either attract more skilled and experienced players, or scare away the not-so good players like the said noob. re: raz it wouldn't change the dynamic THAT much.. even if t's aren't allowed to camp vents, you can spray the vent from anywhere inside, ie. on top of the railing along catwalk; one of the easiest places to catch someone dropping in. imo bp vents wouldn't really encourage ct camping that much, if anything it might encourage ct rushes. i'll delete this and make a clearer post when i'm not dead tired from work. night. |
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| Raz | Jun 19 2009, 04:51 PM Post #12 |
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RE: clutchmonkey.  I fully understand that you can wall vents from all over the inside. My logic is that the safety of the vents would then encourage CTs to pop a squat inside, since it would be the only place they wouldn't be vulnerable to spamming. I guess the only option at that point would be for T's to nade the crap out of the vents. I'm not even entirely sure what I'm trying to say anymore. But as much as I hate getting walled, I feel like it's a part of the map design and changing that would be weird. Plus if you're quiet in vents, you can actually use them pretty effectively. Edited by Raz, Jun 19 2009, 04:51 PM.
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| clutchmonkey. | Jun 19 2009, 05:17 PM Post #13 |
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DA | i choose you, rapidash!
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morning. yeah raz i know what you're saying. and yeah i agree that even now anyone smart can use vents. personally i don't think bp'ing vents makes the map any better or any worse, it just changes the map's dynamics a little, as raz said. it gives ct's a little bit of a lift but then again if you have a team full of dum dums it wouldn't matter anyway. now that i'm awake and not disoriented i think a bigger issue than excessive walling is the matter of team stacking. as much as possible, to make the server a more welcoming one we should try to help out teams that are getting ripped (although i think da's already do an ok job at that, even if needed to be asked sometimes) another issue is the ever-presence of clutchmonkey. spamming. if people are still doing it the dmg meter might as well show through-wall damage. and if that's the case, we might as well bp the vents just to even out the dynamics of the map. here's a thought - is the traffic the server gets now influenced by the fact that our vents are NOT bulletproof? and if we change that how much traffic will be lost or gained? is attracting a handful of more experienced players worth losing a bunch of mcrandy's looking for an easy server to play in? just a thought. |
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| Ace of Hearts | Jun 20 2009, 11:54 AM Post #14 |
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to answer your question, BPing ANYTHING will drive out just as many players as it attracts in. found this out after a few experiments on my servers way back when, and LNG tried it for a while too. BP Vents- drives out nubs looking for easy kills, and pros that hate it when you mess with the map physics. promotes camping end of vent with shotguns. attracts pros looking for a challenge on either teams, and prevents an entire team of nubs leaving because they can't get into the warehouse. BP Walls- drives out skilled players in general, who've taken time to learn how to pinpoint through a wall using sound and spamming accurately. drives out nubs that can only get kills by spamming BD or vents and praying for a kill. flips map entirely to make it slightly more ct-sided, because of general protection in vents and drop area. attracts Suxors traffic, when Suxors is full i honestly prefer not BPing anything, but if it's goona be anything, it should be vents. just take note of the "promotes camping end of vent with shotguns" bit, because you'll either be enforcing that rule EVERY HOUR of EVERY DAY, or allowing it and dealing with all the bitching that will ensue from the ct side |
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| Pant | Jun 20 2009, 02:08 PM Post #15 |
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I'd slay the living shit out of a fool camping the end of the vent with a shotty. |
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| Fat-Albert | Jun 20 2009, 03:03 PM Post #16 |
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I dont understand why people bitch so much about so many little things about CT side being harder. If Its hard that means you will get better at It. I personally enjoy CT side way more than T just because Its fun to wall them then us. The only thing I would like removed Is smokes because theyre quite annoying. As for BPing anything thats a big no no because walling Is just a part of the damn game. |
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| -bLaZeD- | Jun 20 2009, 11:00 PM Post #17 |
DA | -bLaZeD- [canadian]
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im with addiction here albert ive never seen u on ct.........now thats not saying u are never on ct....but lets be honest here guys.....if there is alot of traffic in the server using the vents is almost 100% out of the question..... and to be honest the only people that try to say that being a ct isnt any harder are the people that only play t's......:P
Edited by -bLaZeD-, Jun 20 2009, 11:03 PM.
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| Fat-Albert | Jun 21 2009, 11:22 AM Post #18 |
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DA | Fat Albert
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Thats a load of crap sir. Ive played plenty of times against you on CT. Most the time you guys say you dont "see" me playing CT Is because you guys are hardly In the server. If I were on my old comp, Id show plenty of screenshots of me on CT because I prefer CT. But when I join the server, I auto-assign and If It puts me T, then so be It. But when I see CT dying a lot, I tend to join the losing team. Sometimes because I dont because Im usually texting a lot and not really paying attention. And usually the CT Is getting killed by me. But yes, I can understand Addiction not seeing me playing on CT because you know were both not In the server at the same time, but as for you blazed. Dont come up with these ass kissing lies, because lying will not get you anywhere. |
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| Ace of Hearts | Jun 21 2009, 11:49 AM Post #19 |
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lol, easy killer, memory doesn't always serve as well as others. not to mention blazed is just over a week without getting blazed, so his memory is PARTICULARLY bad try to keep open hostility out of suggestions posts please
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| clutchmonkey. | Jun 21 2009, 01:21 PM Post #20 |
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DA | i choose you, rapidash!
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i vouche for fat. i was in the server this week more than i usually play and i've seen him play ct - more importantly, i've seen him switch to even out teams. bp'ing the walls should be done with the right timing, pretty much like politics. if a popular server changes, it won't drive away that many people. if a popular server becomes not so popular anymore, and then changes, it then seems like a desperate move and will drive away more people than it would attract. i don't think the bp discussion will come to a conclusion anytime soon. ace you got down all of the points perfectly, and yes, bp walls will mostly only attract suxors traffic. but some people like suxors because of the bp walls. we are one of the few popular assault servers without bp anything, but perhaps if we did, we might attract traffic from other more popular servers, and with our very much active and attractive clan and community activity, our server might end up doing better than even east coast or west coast servers combined. there's that to consider too. lol Edited by clutchmonkey., Jun 21 2009, 01:21 PM.
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