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| Why are Fishing rods round???????? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 10 2014, 02:46 PM (518 Views) | |
| Bluto | Jan 10 2014, 02:46 PM Post #1 |
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Cod fisherman extrordinaire & compulsive liar
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Why are fishing rods round? Surely there are other shapes which would result in a stiffer and lighter rod. Have we stuck with the round rod because we started fishing with tree branches or because the round shape is cheap and easy to produce? Why are all rods round no matter what they are used for? Surely a boat rod that is not used for casting but hauling big fish up from the depths should be a different shape from a rod that has to cast 300 yds and retrieve small fish? Anyone ever heard of a rod that wasn't round? I haven't (apart from the old split cane rods which were trying to be round). Now that we have broken the 300 yd casting barrier will someone come up with a different shape to push that even further? Amazing what you think of when you are sat on the end of Clevedon pier innit. |
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| Chester Draws | Jan 10 2014, 03:19 PM Post #2 |
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Quite simply for strength and practicality. Round shapes spread the force more evenly and will cut through the air in a more aerodynamic fashion. Also, can you imagine how uncomfortable it would be holding a triangular or cuboid type rod? Bluto, I admire your ability to spend hours camped at the end of Clevedon Pier, chasing the cod in all sorts of weather. But if you come round here trying to change the shape of the humble fishing rod, I'd have to say "Oi, Bluto, NAAAOOOOO....!!! Rods are made round, they're staying round and they'll be around forever....." Remember the ad? |
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| Bluto | Jan 10 2014, 05:00 PM Post #3 |
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Cod fisherman extrordinaire & compulsive liar
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Stick in the mud :lol: |
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| LOWATEREEFER | Jan 10 2014, 11:17 PM Post #4 |
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Interesting this is guys... Maybe have a triangular rod for me to haul in all that fecking weed eh :lol: |
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| Sifta Sam | Jan 11 2014, 07:58 AM Post #5 |
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To be less round than hexagonal split cane it would need less than 6 sides. 5 sided might work, square section doesn't seem right, a sharp angled triangle, not too good, but a rounded side triangle looks good. Triangular is the way, at least according to this 2010 article. http://www.gofishing.co.uk/Angling-Times/S...-be-triangular/ And the D-Flex homepage. http://www.d-flex.com/index.php |
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| Bluto | Jan 11 2014, 10:27 AM Post #6 |
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Cod fisherman extrordinaire & compulsive liar
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I was thinking along similar lines i.e. a rod stiffer in one direction than it is in the other but using an I section with one flange bigger than the other or even a T section. I can see the benefits of the D flex but it seems to have been designed to use existing manufacturing techniques and appears to have died the death. With modern materials and adhesives their may be a better way to build a better shape for a fishing rod. But at least I'm not the only one thinking about it. Maybe a lot of people think like Chester and just wouldn't want to use rod that isn't round |
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| Prof | Jan 12 2014, 02:53 PM Post #7 |
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Heres some totally useless information............ I'm guessing the old split cane rods were made from triangular sections of bamboo that were split from the whole cane and then planed or sanded to a taper and then glued together and whipped. I suppose it was easier to plane tapered equalateral triangular (gives a hexagon) sections that to turn a whippy section of cane into a taper. For some stronger rods they had a spring steel centre built in. Back along some carbon fly rods were made hexagonal shape as they tended to twist less so were more efficient in the cast, dunno if they ever caught on. Modern rods have layers of fibreglass or carbon cloth etc. wrapped round a steel mandril (long thin spike) and then resin added to stick it all together, this is then heated in a big oven and the steel mandril removed. I suppose the regular circle shape offers even wall thickness and the same strength in all directions (upwards, downwards, sideways) and has no corners to chip, crack or become weak points and offers the same resistanece to crushing in all directions. Might also be the most efficient use of materials and labour per unit of strength / weight? That's my guess, but I aint no materials scientist. ATB Prof |
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| Tattvontony | Jan 12 2014, 09:20 PM Post #8 |
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Phill just for you mate there are some very expensive shimano beachcasters that are oval on the base section if thats what you mean! They will set you back about 400 gold nuggets a peice tho if you wanna buy one!!!
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| John,Nailsea | Jan 12 2014, 09:44 PM Post #9 |
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Why are fishing rods round?-----Cos the earth is round, if it was square then rods would be square! I knew the Welsh/Geordie mix would lead to trouble. |
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| Bluto | Jan 12 2014, 10:21 PM Post #10 |
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I just heard about these rods but I have never seen one. Apparently you cast out with rod one way and turn it through 90 degrees to play the fish/ Not a very elegant solution to the problem in my opinion. I like the Dflex idea but it seems designed to use the existing manufacturing technique of laying up on a steel mandrel. If you use a different manufacturing technique they may be able to come up with an even better shape. But at least there are some people thinking about making radical changes to rod design but whether anglers will be prepared to use them is another matter. |
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| Bluto | Jan 12 2014, 10:23 PM Post #11 |
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I thought it was flat, but then I'm a Geordie and live in Wales :lol: |
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| bristolspark | Jan 13 2014, 09:19 AM Post #12 |
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Be interesting to see what sort of rods could be made out of graphene. |
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| Tattvontony | Jan 13 2014, 11:21 AM Post #13 |
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The materials, engineering techniques and machinery are out there to produce different rods but it will be an expensive outlay for any company to take that brave engineering/financial leap into the unknown. Low diameter was the next step forward in rod design and have been the norm for a good few years now so you would think that a new concept rod should be along soon. Two major tackle manufactures are now producing rods with oval shaped base sections but not the whole rod as yet but that will happen im sure in the not to distant future. The down side is that buying new concept rods will be very expensive to start with until they are mass produced. We will just have to wait and see what the future turns out for us all! Dream on Phill! <_< |
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| Bluto | Jan 13 2014, 01:15 PM Post #14 |
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The global fishing rod market is worth $55 billion and 100 million fishing rods are sold each year. Any manufacturer brave enough to take the leap and make radical changes in rod design, even if significant investment in new tooling is required, could make a significant return on his investment. I don't think its a dream, someone has to crack, the potential rewards are too large to ignore and its just a matter of when not if. Your right new concept rods are expensive. I remember a friend of mine looking at a Boron pole with a price tag of £18,000 on it. He didn't buy it but the only thing that stopped him was the aggro he would have got from his missus if he'd bought it!
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| Tattvontony | Jan 13 2014, 01:43 PM Post #15 |
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You are right of course Phill it is global industry worth billions but we are still waiting for them to come up with new concept tackle and rods! When you mentioned how many rods are sold it got me thinking just how many Crab lines are sold in this nation alone each year to children? According to your posts you are still suffering with crabs at the moment, on the pier that is!
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They will set you back about 400 gold nuggets a peice tho if you wanna buy one!!!
2:28 PM Jul 11