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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 20 2010, 05:20 PM (309 Views) | |
| John Franklin | Oct 20 2010, 05:20 PM Post #1 |
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So there you have it. The Con-Lib Coalition has from Chancellor Osborne announced it's vital cuts and dealt it's wraith to the people who put pounds in their pockets to spend. From various news sources the coverage has been widely anticipated with baited breaths to see if this day was the final nail in the coffin for this country. My view, it is. Defence and Education has been affected but out of both mentioned the worst is the Defence budget. It has been slashed due to the burden of Mr Brown in the early years through his chancellory reign in the treasury and by this incompetence instead of Mr Darling trying to fix it, he went on an even bigger spending spree than his predecessor. Spending Review: Osborne Wields axe Personally I think it is needed after the Labour shambles, but they have not got my sound support over the unnecessary herrier jets carrier disbandment. My grandfather worked on one of these Navy vessels. He spoke to many Jet craft pilots. These are the most important Sea defences of the United Kingdom and we have gone and done it this time. We shall have no proper air defence now until 2015 or 2020. Truly, I thought he'd have a better understanding of this countries position, but overall other areas are yes, agreeable but not fully 100% satisfied it shall help us in the long run. So what are your opinions? |
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| billypig117 | Oct 20 2010, 05:54 PM Post #2 |
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Suffice to say, The defence budget has infuriated me. In fact I'm bloody devastated. Our position on the world stage is severely compromised. Carriers without jets??? What the hell are they playing at, we are the laughing stock of Europe. Our attack capability reduced by a third?! And the Harriers gone. My god, what a fool the Tories have made us. In a time like this Defence should be increasing. Britain is finished as a world power, we're a bloody joke. |
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| PASD | Oct 20 2010, 05:56 PM Post #3 |
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I am mortified that the British have cut the defense budget. Its a sad day. |
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| Robert Kennedy | Oct 20 2010, 05:57 PM Post #4 |
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Damn the tories, damn them all the way to hell. They say there the party to protect our military...... they have destoryed the military more than any government in our history... what have we done giving them power |
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| Lord Harold Vorn | Oct 20 2010, 09:46 PM Post #5 |
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I hardly think any of the 3 big parties would of been different Robert. Tis a dark day for Britain, as we slowly descend into becoming a 2nd rate Military power...:( |
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| billypig117 | Oct 20 2010, 10:58 PM Post #6 |
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The only consoling fact is that it will be built up in the future. Maybe not the next government but the one after it. It is all to apparent that we can't become a second rate power, this will be turned around. The Defence review hasn't taken into account the future, we have turned our army into a "Police Force" we are ready for fighting terrorists and Drug Cartels but if We needed to attack Iran, no. The saddest thing about all this is that France is a better military power better than us now. :( |
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| John Franklin | Oct 21 2010, 02:20 PM Post #7 |
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Just remember, the sole cause of these 'cuts' is because we were accelerated too fast by the Labour Party in Tony Blair's first term. As the incompetence of the first Chancellor and then the second (Alistair Darling) we cannot blame the Con-Lib Coalition for the mess the previous government put us in. Okay, we may have had the budget to push through major projects but what the hell with? We spent and spent and spent until the pot ran empty and look where we now end up? 2010 is a year where we will fall in might within the Military, but in 2020 we could end up destroying ourselves too fast with reintroducing the weapons made for this day and age where they are too old to even be of use anymore. What we need to think about is that, we should be looking to scientific and technological advances, we shouldn't be worrying about sea borne threats, we should have all the machinery we need on land to shoot down within a certain radius so we can focus on other things stemming from and that uses the deep oceans. I think with thinking about this a little more, in a way i'm glad the defence budget has been cut, but I am ashamed it has come to the decision of removing our herrier jets :( |
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| billypig117 | Oct 21 2010, 04:16 PM Post #8 |
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That is the stupid thing about this review, this is caused by money, not defence. Cutting the defence budget was bloody stupid. We are ready for terrorists not soldiers. Who is to say that we won't have to fight a major conventional war in the next 20 years? Nobody thinks, they are bloody stupid. They have created a false dilemma, Cameron thinks that the people are fools. As for the Harriers, yes they are nearly obsolete and yes there ground support is pitiful, but they were the only aircraft we could rely on for the carriers. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I hope to god that Cameron is made to regret this, he has embarrassed us, yet again. We are a broken Nation. |
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| John Franklin | Oct 21 2010, 08:26 PM Post #9 |
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I believe if we removed our herriers in place with a newer upgraded version to cope with more threats, removing the numbers of the 18 with the newer 5 then it'd be more logical but no, we are producing two Navy aircraft carriers and no planes to fly off of. Illogical and stupid. Make the workers at least produce these planes instead and keep the 3 aircraft carriers we already have. But remember, if it wasn't for Labour we wouldn't be needing these cuts. The deficit is what makes us loose credibility and respect as a country, not these cuts. |
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| Luna Dancing | Oct 21 2010, 08:29 PM Post #10 |
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Stop blaming Labour. Gordon Brown did a lot of good for the country, I truely believe that. However much you blame Labour I think that perhaps the coalition could have done better. I, myself, am ashamed to have supported the Lib Dems before the election. :mellow: |
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| John Franklin | Oct 21 2010, 08:33 PM Post #11 |
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Another deluded Labour supporter :rolleyes: No wonder they got to ruin the country, people voted and supported them through everything.....EVEN the GOOD (a very small amount of good btw) the BAD and the UGLY! |
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| Luna Dancing | Oct 21 2010, 08:48 PM Post #12 |
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I'd much rather be a deluded Labour supporter than a Conservative supporter :) |
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| Lord Harold Vorn | Oct 21 2010, 09:06 PM Post #13 |
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Fair point Luna ^_^ I have nothing against Labour supporters, I do fear the Labour party has lost its way, and I feel that with Miliband keeping people like Ed Balls in senior Cabinet positions, they run the danger of giving the image to the public that they have not changed, that they are not "The new Generation" at all. I'm totally dis-illusioned with all 3 of the main parties currently, but it causes me dismay to see our Brave Armed Forces damaged in such a way. And John, yes we have 3 Carriers at the moment, but the HMS Ocean can only carry Helicopters, and the HMS Illustrious can only carry Harriers. The HMS Queen Elizabeth, the first of the new carriers to come out, will be fitted as a Helicopter carrier, and likely kept in dry dock. Only the HMS Prince of Wales will be Jet Capable, it will be built by 2016, but won't be capable till 2020. |
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| John Franklin | Oct 21 2010, 09:08 PM Post #14 |
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Exactly. Defenceless and pointless really. However, Luna, i'm not exactly a Tory, i'm starting to get very distant in the main british political spectrum. Maybe I should turn Green :lol: |
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| Lord Harold Vorn | Oct 21 2010, 09:11 PM Post #15 |
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Ah the Greens, who manage to put forward extreme and inpractical ideas just because they know people won't pay them any attention :P |
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| Luna Dancing | Oct 21 2010, 09:59 PM Post #16 |
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Heeey, if the Lib Dems have mucked this up then the Greens have a chance! :P You know when you have f*cked up being in Government when the Greens seem like a sensible option :P |
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| Lord Harold Vorn | Oct 21 2010, 10:27 PM Post #17 |
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Or UKIP :P |
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| billypig117 | Oct 21 2010, 10:29 PM Post #18 |
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I'm a conservative and proud. I would support the removal of harriers, bar a bit of nostalgia, if our flagship could take anything else. :( The military has been in decline for a while, but this is the final nail. Having carriers in drydock just defeats the purpose of having one. We are not prepared for conventional war and likely a war in the Falklands would stretch us to breaking point, or embarrass us. |
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| John Franklin | Oct 22 2010, 08:51 AM Post #19 |
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I think supporting an independent would show the mainstream political parties a lesson, one that actually wins the election based on independent views from the people. For far to long we have let politics be controlled by the main two parties in Britain, we should be doing something about it instead of voting in the two worst parties that only change it's leader not it's face value and principles. Margret Thatcher set in stone what the Conservatives are like, David Cameron is just a wolf in sheeps clothing, wait and see, the Chancellor is the first cover up of a bigger plot to ruin this country further with their traditional and extremely stupid policies. I think it illogical we are diminishing our Military in the face of Iran, Iraq, China and Russia building on top of what they already have. We should be strengthening our borders and seas but with the first priority domestic people related matters. A strong country at home is what we need before a strong military at sea and at war. Currently we are heavily divided and then the media bullshits and spreads it out of proportion. All for a good story and the country goes even more balls up in the face of adversity. Astonishing is all I can put the word to the picture right now. Truly. |
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| billypig117 | Oct 22 2010, 10:23 AM Post #20 |
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It is pathetic and reckless. Health was ring fenced. :o Doing the has condemned the military even more, its an utter joke. |
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