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| Stomm | Dec 19 2009, 02:53 PM Post #31 |
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That's good, we might be able to fill all the places externally. Personally whilst I'd love to take part, I'm more than happy to sit it out and help with the on-the-day organising, do a spot of painting, etc... to allow more places for those outside of the club to play. Besides, I haven't actually played Warhammer in at least two years... |
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| Stomm | Dec 19 2009, 03:12 PM Post #32 |
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Well I haven't got a clue about WH comp, having not really played the game in aeons. So its probably best if I don't even comment on that, but I would obviously be interested in seeing the draft anyway... A) I think that the 7th looks good doesn't it?Just need to confirm with Avenue House in the NY Well if room 15 (our current location) is available, including the anterooms. Then we could fit a maximum of 8-9 tables in there. I know we could fit two in the last room, but I'm not sure if we could squeeze in a third. That would give us a maximum number between 16 and 18.If we can use the stable block, from my rough calculations we could possible fit ten tables in there, which is a fair bit less than the twenty we initially thought... C) Well £15 sounds good, but if we're in the stable block then we'd probably have to finish and be out by 6pm to keep costs down. This obviously depends on how much the rent would be. If we're in room 15, then hopefully every £ can go straight towards buying more trees, etc... I'll also look into providing lunch as part of the ticket price. Just something like a roll and a cup of tea, nothing too complicated and obviously something that can be eaten quickly to cut down on the downtime for lunch. If we can keep lunch to only 1/2 an hour then that would be a good thing I'm guessing? |
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| bakfire | Dec 19 2009, 06:49 PM Post #33 |
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there is really quite a bit of interest on the whf....we really need to have a proper chat with avenue house.... damn people and Christmas holidays getting in the way of gaming and planning |
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| Stomm | Dec 19 2009, 07:29 PM Post #34 |
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You know, if this interest translates into attendence at the club, it may allow us to seriously consider having a monthly or bi-weekly weekend club meeting... We might even need to start looking at an even bigger venue... Anyway, that's all getting rather ahead of ourselves, but this is looking rather good indeed. Before we started this I didn't realise just how many 18+ gamers there were willing to travel to the club. If everyone that has been turned up at the same time, we'd have getting on sixteen or seventeen people as it is, never mind those that are hoping to start turning up in the New Year...
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| Marauder Mitch | Dec 19 2009, 10:56 PM Post #35 |
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I travel for good games, and a lot of my mates do. We have a good basis for it to be better but if you have a good game people will travel especially tournament players. this event should be good but the timing is the important thing. |
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| Mark's Filth | Dec 20 2009, 04:15 PM Post #36 |
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£15 is a good starting price for a tournament, have you thought of doing a doubles tournament as well. The 7th is the date for the gt finals so you shouldn't get that many power players. |
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| Dave Walton | Dec 20 2009, 10:06 PM Post #37 |
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A few people over on TWF have asked just to go with straight SCGT comp, which is totally fine in my opinion. That comp pack is available here http://www.heelanassociates.co.uk/SCGTCompPack010.pdf As for the venue, I think we have enough interest to genuinely warrant having BOTH the stable hall and our current rooms. I don't think there will be all to much trouble with that from an organisational point of view, especially if more of the committee get involved. Also, Food is good. |
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| Stomm | Dec 20 2009, 11:01 PM Post #38 |
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Interesting, comp-onions ahoy.... ![]() Anyway, my concern with using both room 15 and the stable block hall is two-fold. Firstly it will require a lot of running around between rooms, and will increase the time needed between games to allow people to move from table-to-table, well quite a lot. There is also the risk of people dropping figures running between rooms, getting lost and so on. IoW, it's going to be a bit of a logisitical nightmare unless we keep people in the same room, perhaps after lunch. But then this prevents the top two people playing one another, etc.... And my second concern is of course that we aren't going to be able to use room 15 for much beyond February anyway, and we will want to run events in the future. So do we really want to run something that can take 306 or so people and run us ragged, possibly not working all that well (see the above paragraph), and that we'll never be able to repeat size-wise, or do we want to stick with KISS and not kill ourselves? Of course, as I've said there is nothing stopping us running two events on the same day. We could for example run a 40K one day tournie, or a WH campaign at the same time as the WH event, which I'm guessing we'd want to put in the stables? Or of course have room 15 running as a regular club meeting, that just happens to be going on all day on a Sunday. Heck I'd be up for that as well... Indeed we could use it as a test for the viability of having a regular Sunday club opening... So just to be clear, the thought of 36 Warhammer players giving the club £15 each sounds really, really appealing. Even if the Stable hall works out at £350 for ten hours of hire, that still leaves us almost £200 in the clear, which would in effect cover the cost of all the boards and paint bought so far, plus a bit extra for the paints we will still need to get, and maybe some more boards for that matter. Basically it would certainly pay for itself materially... But.... We'd end up having to get ten boards that we don't then really have any use for as we are unlikely to have that much space available again. That including the paint to cover them is around £80, maybe a bit more. And whilst the extra people turning up to play and pay would cover this, I don't know whether it really justifies the extra affort that will be required to run around two close, but still in effect seperate venues... I do however have a possible solution, but it will be very, very expensive and would only likely have a chance of even just breaking even if we get a discount and if we can fill the place. The large room downstairs, the one they hire out for weddings, discos and the like may be available on that day. If it is, then I suspect that it may have enough space for 20 tables, maybe a few more. The only problem is of course that their 'list price' for it is in the region of £85hr. Even at only 10am-6pm, that's still £680. They might give us a 20% discount, but that's still £544, which leaves absolutely tiny margins at £15 a head and on the assumption that we can indeed cram 40 players in there... So, my suggestion is that we plan on keeping numbers down to 16, that's with 8 tables. I'll still discuss the options in the NY with Avenue House, but I think that trying to squeeze past the actual capacity of our eventual home is likely to be counter productive simply because we'll end up with a load of boards that we will have no real use for after the event... Unless of course we can borrow some.... |
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| Dave Walton | Dec 20 2009, 11:36 PM Post #39 |
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I generally agree with everything you have said but on the whole boards thing, all we need is tables, if we buy a few lengths of green cloth to spread over the tables then they make reasonable playing surfaces, I've seen it done at a variety of events before, and the outlay wouldn't be that great... Essentially I'd like this to be as big an event as possible, and I don't mind whatever legwork is required to get that off the ground. |
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| Stomm | Dec 21 2009, 09:23 AM Post #40 |
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Ok, but putting green cloths on still costs money, (even if it's only £5 a go instead of £10), and the tables they have aren't really the right size. IIC they are 6' long, but 3' wide... Since space is at such a premium, never mind the problems with playing over a 6' wide table, I don't think we'd actually be able to fit the number of tables in the area we need if we did so... We might be able to get around the problem through the use of some battons, screws and a cordless powerdrill. Basically screw the 2'x4' boards together to make them stable enough to use. We've got IIRC 16 of them, that's enough for five tables already. Buy one or two new boards and then we'd fill the requirement for 18 or so tables... Anyway, I'll explore all our options when I can int he New Year. On the subject of food, would bumping the ticket price up to £20 to include lunch work do you think? I'll find out the exact prices, but I'm guessing that a roll, cup of tea and a can of coke, etc... will cost around £5 per head, and really we should consider the price we set as in effect setting a precident for our future events... |
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| Stomm | Dec 21 2009, 10:54 AM Post #41 |
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Just got an answer re. food prices:
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| Dave Walton | Dec 21 2009, 02:49 PM Post #42 |
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Well it all looks pretty good, It's just a question of ticket price and how we want to work that in. Have to say it was a little cheaper than perhaps I expected so it seems altogether feasible. |
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| Simran | Dec 21 2009, 08:28 PM Post #43 |
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Hi guys. I was the High Elf player who played Rob's DEs last Wednesday. I liked the club and will try and get down as often as possible, given its roughly an hr's travel for me. On the tournament, you can see the demand for a tournie in London (from the Warhammer forum thread) given only the Clapham/OG guys really do anything in London. Since Wed, I had a word with a few ppl about the possibility of a tournie in Feb and everyone I have spoken to is very much up for it. I suggest starting small (so with a 1 dayer as opposed to a weekend one) to guarantee a good event and maybe running another 1 or even 2 later on in the year. Referring to a post earlier in the thread, it seems any tournie is going to give you guys a decent profit to plough back into the club and make sure it is stable and sustainable, given you guys have just started up. Running a straight 2250pts SCGT comp tournament would tie in with a few others ppl are going to, but whatever you guys think is best is good. Finally, I think someone on Wed said that your club membership charges might get rejigged slightly at your next meeting. What's happening there? As I understand it, its £1 membership with £4 per night? Simran. |
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| Stomm | Dec 21 2009, 10:01 PM Post #44 |
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Somewhat off topic, but I'll answer anyway. In due course we can start a proper public discussion on this, ideally leading up to the AGM at the end of January. Basically at the moment non-members pay £5 and members pay £4. Membership for the year is currently set at £12, with a £1 reduction for every month that has passed. So if you pay your membership in January, then it's £12, pay in February, it's £11 and so on. Which does of course mean that since we only started charging in December, then it was only £1 to become a member for the rest of the year. And of course your first visit is always free. So when we start back up again in January after the Xmas break, everyone wishing to maintain their membership will need to stump up £12. Since we're having our AGM at the end of January, and only members can vote at the AGM, then it's probably a good idea for anyone who intends coming regularly to pay their membership fee so that they can have a real voice in how the club is to be run. And that of course brings up the matter of changing things, or not as the case may be. Currently the £5/4 weekly sub is set at a level so that we will break even if 10-11 paying members or non-members turn up once we have to regularly pay rent. That is of course assuming that Avenue House sticks with the level of rent that they originally discussed with me, but to be honest as a venue they've been bloody brilliant so far, so I doubt that they'd intentionally try to stiff us. After all some money from us is better than no money from anyone... Veering somewhat off the point there. Basically we will have the opportunity to look into maybe having a monthly fee as an alternative to the weekly fee, we just need to figure out what level would work without making it unfair or risking the club's ability to pay its rent. Needless to say I am sure that this is something that will come up at the AGM, and if you have any ideas on the matter then please feel free to start a thread in the club discussion section to put those ideas across. |
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| Dave Walton | Dec 22 2009, 12:25 AM Post #45 |
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Hi Simran, I think that their genuinely is a desire to have more tournaments in the south, the major big ones tend to be ooop north which isn't always a feasible option for most of us (For example, 4 of the big 5 tournaments are north of Brum: Merseyside Meltdown, Sheffield Slaughter, Throne of Cheese, Warrington Warlords- and even though the SCGT is closer, it still is a fair journey for most people) I think that there are many gamers in London who would like to see a big event within the M25 and if it was big enough we might even get some big name players down from the frozen north. Ultimately, that is my goal, either within the auspices of the club or even if I end up doing it alone. At this stage, however, we should be striving to put on an event that proves we can run one and expand our horizons after that. Warhammer at the moment is in a better state than it has ever been, interest in the game is very high, and we benefit from the rankings system, Podcasts and the World Wide Web so I think at the end of the day we are always going to have more peopel interested than we can accomodate. Essentially my point here is that if this event goes well there will be other, bigger events later on, but I've gradually come to the realisation that for a club in its infancy, we shouldn't be shooting for the moon. Hence it might end up being initially only a small event in Feb, but that will provide us all with a better platform upon which to do the next event! I'm very excited about this and I so want it to work! |
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the numbers we can fit in the venue and C) the Price. If possible I'd like to say A) 7th Feb,

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