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So.. Who "The most undeserved world champion since the 70's"?
Sebastian Vettel 2010-2013 0 (0%)
Jenson Button 2009 0 (0%)
Lewis Hamilton 2008 1 (11.1%)
Kimi Räikkönen 2007 0 (0%)
Fernando Alonso 2005-2006 0 (0%)
Michael Schumacher 1994-1995, 2000-2004 1 (11.1%)
Mika Hakkinen 1998-1999 0 (0%)
Jacques Villeneuve 1997 3 (33.3%)
Damon Hill 1996 2 (22.2%)
Alain Prost 1985-1986, 1989, 1993 0 (0%)
Nigel Mansell 1992 0 (0%)
Ayrton Senna 1988, 1990-1991 0 (0%)
Nelson Piquet 1981, 1983, 1987 0 (0%)
Niki Lauda 1975, 1977, 1984 0 (0%)
Keke Rosberg 1982 2 (22.2%)
Alan Jones 1980 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 9
The most undeserved world champion since the 70's
Topic Started: Apr 28 2014, 08:47 AM (898 Views)
u4coffee
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As P1 said, could be interesting
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Iberiafromoz
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I think I have been the source of some inspiration on this one? <thumbsup>

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TheCompleteGuitarist
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I think there are more on that list than there are members of the pit lane
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Apr 28 2014
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I think there are more on that list than there are members of the pit lane

good point :s
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u4coffee,Apr 28 2014
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Apr 28 2014
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I think there are more on that list than there are members of the pit lane

good point :s

So someone is going to miss out on a vote ;)

Anyway, I really don't think any of them are underserving.

Hill for example may not have been any where near as good as MS but he was still very naturally gifted. You could just as easily say MS had so much help and support, but he put himself in that position.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Apr 28 2014
04:56 PM
u4coffee,Apr 28 2014
02:51 PM
TheCompleteGuitarist,Apr 28 2014
02:45 PM
I think there are more on that list than there are members of the pit lane

good point :s

So someone is going to miss out on a vote ;)

Anyway, I really don't think any of them are underserving.

Hill for example may not have been any where near as good as MS but he was still very naturally gifted. You could just as easily say MS had so much help and support, but he put himself in that position.

And but for Schumi's 'steering problem' Hill would have had two WDC's...
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Wow, starting to think back about the various winners through the years, quite some special ones comes to mind again.

Like Schumacher's first in 1994. (Senna died, the Benetton floor illegal at min 1 race, illegal fuel valve, Benetton/MS team ignoring penalties during race and MS crashing into Hill in last race, where Williams did not file complaint as they were swamped in Senna criminal investigation...) Now, MS did go on to win more and well-deserved ones, so good the 94 was not the only.

But ultimate pick has to be Keke Rosberg, winning the WDC with just 1 win in the year. Had it not been for: Villeneuve and Pironi in terrible accidents, Brabhams and Renaults braking down non stop, both Jones and Reutemann deciding to quit at the same time and the team having limited option for better drivers but Rosberg.

Phil Hill (though before the 70ties) is another example. He won just 3 GPs during his entire F1 career, and only two was in his WDC year. <doh>
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Lex,Apr 28 2014
03:09 PM
TheCompleteGuitarist,Apr 28 2014
04:56 PM
u4coffee,Apr 28 2014
02:51 PM
TheCompleteGuitarist,Apr 28 2014
02:45 PM
I think there are more on that list than there are members of the pit lane

good point :s

So someone is going to miss out on a vote ;)

Anyway, I really don't think any of them are underserving.

Hill for example may not have been any where near as good as MS but he was still very naturally gifted. You could just as easily say MS had so much help and support, but he put himself in that position.

And but for Schumi's 'steering problem' Hill would have had two WDC's...

Impossible. Had Hill won the 94 WDC, Sir Frank would have fired him before the 95 season.
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P1,Apr 28 2014
03:40 PM
Wow, starting to think back about the various winners through the years, quite some special ones comes to mind again.

Like Schumacher's first in 1994. (Senna died, the Benetton floor illegal at min 1 race, illegal fuel valve, Benetton/MS team ignoring penalties during race and MS crashing into Hill in last race, where Williams did not file complaint as they were swamped in Senna criminal investigation...) Now, MS did go on to win more and well-deserved ones, so good the 94 was not the only.

But ultimate pick has to be Keke Rosberg, winning the WDC with just 1 win in the year. Had it not been for: Villeneuve and Pironi in terrible accidents, Brabhams and Renaults braking down non stop, both Jones and Reutemann deciding to quit at the same time and the team having limited option for better drivers but Rosberg.

Phil Hill (though before the 70ties) is another example. He won just 3 GPs during his entire F1 career, and only two was in his WDC year. <doh>

I still say Villeneuve. Crap teammate, his WDC teammate had left the team, Shumi was in a substandard Ferrari, McLaren were crap.

Not a lot of competition internally or externally.

We've seen what great drivers can do in lesser cars, and we've seen what JV can do in a lesser car.
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personally not keen ob SV or MS.

Glad that Mansell won the championship after coming so close only t lose it with a tyre blowout
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The main problem with any motorsport series is if you have a car that is far better than the rest of the field you will win the Championship.

Some of it is pure luck being in a team when the car is just the best on the grid but you do still have to beat your teammate.

If the Mercedes continues to have this advantage during 2014 Hamilton will be Champion as Rosberg is already starting to find out he is the number 2 driver.

God I hope another team catches up soon. <peek>
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ELUSIVEJIM,Apr 30 2014
08:22 PM
The main problem with any motorsport series is if you have a car that is far better than the rest of the field you will win the Championship.

Some of it is pure luck being in a team when the car is just the best on the grid but you do still have to beat your teammate.

You mean like Button in 2009. <peek>
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I won't vote but I will chuck my views in.

There are several names that it could be said only won because they had the best car at the time so it was the designer/team that won it. (Hill, Hamilton and Vettel) to name some.


There is one name that shouldn't be there (Schumi) as both teams he won with were very much second rate machinery when he joined them. The Benetton was inferior to the then mighty Williams and the Ferrari was just about the most unreliable pile of cr@p on the track at the time.

There are others that fall into one or the other categories so perhaps a vote as to which drivers earned the championships and which were gifted them would be more relevant.

Maybe by that score Alonso actually fits on both sides of the argument.......
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P1,Apr 30 2014
08:24 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Apr 30 2014
08:22 PM
The main problem with any motorsport series is if you have a car that is far better than the rest of the field you will win the Championship.

Some of it is pure luck being in a team when the car is just the best on the grid but you do still have to beat your teammate.

You mean like Button in 2009. <peek>

<roflmao> <roflmao>

I have to say I loved 2009.

A team came from no where and Won the Championship.

Great for F1 <thumbsup>
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Rob,Apr 29 2014
04:18 AM
P1,Apr 28 2014
03:40 PM
Wow, starting to think back about the various winners through the years, quite some special ones comes to mind again. 

Like Schumacher's first in 1994.  (Senna died, the Benetton floor illegal at min 1 race, illegal fuel valve, Benetton/MS team ignoring penalties during race and MS crashing into Hill in last race, where Williams did not file complaint as they were swamped in Senna criminal investigation...)  Now, MS did go on to win more and well-deserved ones, so good the 94 was not the only.

But ultimate pick has to be Keke Rosberg, winning the WDC with just 1 win in the year.  Had it not been for: Villeneuve and Pironi in terrible accidents, Brabhams and Renaults braking down non stop, both Jones and Reutemann deciding to quit at the same time and the team having limited option for better drivers but Rosberg.

Phil Hill (though before the 70ties) is another example.  He won just 3 GPs during his entire F1 career, and only two was in his WDC year.  <doh>

I still say Villeneuve. Crap teammate, his WDC teammate had left the team, Shumi was in a substandard Ferrari, McLaren were crap.

Not a lot of competition internally or externally.

We've seen what great drivers can do in lesser cars, and we've seen what JV can do in a lesser car.

But Villeneuve outqualified Hill by miles for the first race and was comfortably on his way to win it before he had an oil leak on the car and was told to slow down. Plus, he was taken out of the title hunt when the team didn't put one of the wheels on properly in Japan.....
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