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Obama rebuffs Putin
Topic Started: Aug 7 2013, 05:15 PM (526 Views)
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Obama has cancelled a meeting with Putin. Perhaps due to the Snowden affair but I think the reasons are more numerous than that.

Russia and China and a whole host of other nations continue to take shots at the "western world" and in particular the US and western Europe. Always making more and more demands and with more and more criticism.

I am by no means an Obama fan, which is to say that I wait for the day where he does anything of substance I agree with. Having said that, I completely support his stance on this, and have long been a proponent of a more aggressive stance.

An Arabic Muslim recently said to me that the problems in the world (of violence and hatred) were because America is so evil and just after their oil.

Hmmm. Well everyone pays the same price for your oil so I guess all customers are evil. This attitude is followed by people profiled in "Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares".

Arabs kill more Arabs, and Muslims kill more Muslims, and Pakistani's kill more Pakistani's than all of the developed nations combined by a country mile.

Also let us not forget the biggest charitable donators. Number one by a factor of 2 plus to its nearest competitor is the US. Germans, Brits, Canadians are also big contributors.

Japanese too, especially to remote Pacific Island nations supporting continued whaling for scientific research purposes.

Low on the list - rock bottom - for charitable donations, would be most Arab nations, Chinese, Russians, Indians, Pakistanis - I could go on but basically everyone with an axe to grind with America.

I have long said that the US should say "no more funding to the UN", "no more military support for Korea, Japan, Philippines, most South Asian nations". "no more special favors to developing nations" and "no more......".

As should the UK, Germany, Canada, Australia, Japan.... I guess that's about it.

In any case this rebuff to Russia should be followed by a very cold G20 summit and a much harder line going forward.

For those paying taxes in major donating countries to support the likes of China and Russia, I should think a touch of annoyance is in order.

While I don't like Obama, this move I approve of.

As a post script, Ed Snowden should be brought to trial and let the jury decide. This asylum thing is nonsense.
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Oops. I forgot to paste the BBC article that triggered my diatribe.

From the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/23605507


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US President Barack Obama has cancelled a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin after Russia's decision to grant asylum to intelligence leaker Edward Snowden, the White House said.

But Mr Obama will still attend the G20 economic talks in St Petersburg.

A White House aide said Mr Snowden's asylum had deepened the pre-existing tension between the two countries.

The Kremlin said it was disappointed by the move and that the invitation to bilateral talks remained in force.

Mr Snowden, a former intelligence contractor, has admitted leaking information about US surveillance programmes to the media.

'No patience'

The decision to cancel the talks, announced during a trip by the president to Los Angeles, comes the morning after Mr Obama said he was "disappointed" with Russia's decision to offer Mr Snowden asylum for a year.

Relations between Washington and Moscow were not good, with divisions over a range of issues - not least Syria - even before the fugitive US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden pitched up at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow. They certainly have not got any better since the Russian authorities granted him temporary asylum in the country.

If Mr Snowden had gone swiftly on his way, then this might have remained just another irritant in US-Russia relations. But now the Americans have felt compelled to respond. That is going to make the G20 gathering itself in St Petersburg a potentially embarrassing affair.

The fallout over the Snowden affair is a symptom of a much more fundamental crisis in US-Russia relations that has continued despite the effort during Mr Obama's first term to "reset" relations with Moscow. These are no longer equivalent powers and they have so far not found a way to co-operate on terms that benefit both.

"We have reached the conclusion that there is not enough recent progress in our bilateral agenda with Russia to hold a US-Russia Summit," the White House said in a statement.

In addition to Russia's "disappointing decision" to grant Mr Snowden temporary asylum, the White House cited a lack of progress on issues ranging from missile defence to human rights.

"We believe it would be more constructive to postpone the summit until we have more results from our shared agenda," the White House said.

The decision to cancel the US-Russia summit comes the day after Mr Obama appeared on an evening chat show, The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, in which he condemned a newly enacted anti-gay law in Russia.

"I have no patience for countries that try to treat gays or lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or are harmful to them," Mr Obama said.

But the White House reaffirmed Mr Obama's commitment to attending an upcoming round of G20 economic talks, which take place on 5-6 September in the Russian city of St Petersburg.

In the wake of the announcement, Mr Putin's foreign affairs adviser Yuri Ushakov said it was clear the US had cancelled the meeting over the Snowden affair.

In a conference call on Wednesday, Mr Ushakov added the Kremlin was disappointed by the move and that the invitation for talks remained open.

"Russian representatives are ready to continue working together with American partners on all key issues on the bilateral and multilateral agenda," Mr Ushakov said.

Espionage charges

Mr Obama and Mr Putin last met in June, on the sidelines of the G8 summit in Northern Ireland.

Mr Snowden, an American former National Security Agency (NSA) technical contractor and CIA worker, in June leaked to the Guardian and Washington Post newspapers documents and details relating to NSA programmes that gather data on telephone calls and emails.

Mr Snowden, 30, fled his home in Hawaii, where he worked at a small NSA installation, to Hong Kong, and subsequently to Russia. He faces espionage charges in the US.

He spent about a month in a transit area of the Moscow airport as the US pressured other countries to deny him asylum. On 1 August, he left the airport after the Russian government said it would give him asylum there for a year.
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