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Are you freaking kidding me????
Topic Started: Jul 25 2013, 03:35 PM (1,518 Views)
Rob
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Minimum pit-stop time to be discussed

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/298130/...o-be-discussed/

Are speed limits next?

I know this is in the name of safety, but instead of killing the competition, how about severe penalties for teams that boggle a stop, like black flagging both cars if a wheel comes off as a result of a nut not being on correctly.
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Good. Topic moved to F1.

The article mentions that the teams are not likely to support the idea as pit stop times comprise a major competitive item. This I totally agree with. We don't need more artificial nonsense that doesn't really address the issue.

I also think the ban on tv crews in the pit lane was ill advised as well. Coverage of pit stops forms an interesting part of our viewing, and lets us know immediately if a driver is likely to lose or gain.

As to the camera crews issue, they should have instead looked for ways to improve safety other than bans.

I agree with you as well. Penalties that are more severe for a tyre falling off would probably do the trick.
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Ok, there must be an FIA rep on the board.

Loose wheels to result in 10-place grid drop

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/298144/...lace-grid-drop/

Although the concept of a minimum pit-stop time was discussed at the meeting, it failed to gather momentum and was ultimately brushed aside in favour of a grid drop.
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We've seen plenty of loose wheels, some of which have turned dangerous. I think the punishment for a loose wheel is severe to start with as it penalizes a driver considerably, sometimes taking them out of the race.

Perhaps it should be a detached wheel rather than simply a loose wheel. A loose wheel will stop a driver anyway. If it comes off, then punish the team competitively.
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Its a shame that its the driver that will get the penalty rather than just the team, not really the drivers fault.
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u4coffee,Jul 26 2013
07:12 AM
Its a shame that its the driver that will get the penalty rather than just the team, not really the drivers fault.

Isn't it a team sport?
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Jul 26 2013
11:59 AM
u4coffee,Jul 26 2013
07:12 AM
Its a shame that its the driver that will get the penalty rather than just the team, not really the drivers fault.

Isn't it a team sport?

Maybe both drivers should get the grid penalty then <whistle>
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u4coffee,Jul 26 2013
12:01 PM
TheCompleteGuitarist,Jul 26 2013
11:59 AM
u4coffee,Jul 26 2013
07:12 AM
Its a shame that its the driver that will get the penalty rather than just the team, not really the drivers fault.

Isn't it a team sport?

Maybe both drivers should get the grid penalty then <whistle>

Maybe . . . . .
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u4coffee,Jul 26 2013
07:01 AM
TheCompleteGuitarist,Jul 26 2013
11:59 AM
u4coffee,Jul 26 2013
07:12 AM
Its a shame that its the driver that will get the penalty rather than just the team, not really the drivers fault.

Isn't it a team sport?

Maybe both drivers should get the grid penalty then <whistle>

That's what I was thinking would be best.
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u4coffee,Jul 26 2013
07:12 AM
Its a shame that its the driver that will get the penalty rather than just the team, not really the drivers fault.

Brings up an interesting question.

What is the diff between having a screw loose and suffering a loose nut?

Loose screws are clearly a driver problem and more of an attitude issue, unless of course my screws are loose and I just don't get it.

Loose nuts - well is that just the teams fault? Are you nuts? Actually I think loose nuts are the fathers' faults. I should think loose nuts are hereditary.

Leading to the logical conclusion that loose nuts would not be the teams' fault and why should your team mate therefore be penalized for your loose nuts which are, after all, your father's fault and he isn't even part of the team?
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I could comment on the loose screw, but I'd have to give my self a 24 hour ban... <admin>
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If they want to make pit stops slower and increase safety by reducing the number of people in the pit lane, then there's a blindingly obvious solution. Limit the crew number. Right now, the number of people involved is huge:

8 wheel changers
4 wheel gunners
Front jack
Rear jack
Lollipop
Spare front jack for some teams
Spare rear jack for some teams
Some teams have one or two bystanders to keep the car steady
Some teams have several crew ready with extinguishers in case the brakes cause a fire
Other sundry crew just in case of some other issue like a wing replacement or alteration

It's usually reckoned on there being 20 people or more per stop. Perhaps a more politically correct arrangement would be:

Front jack
Rear jack
Lollipop
4x gunners
4x changers

Fit the cars with onboard jacks and you lose one person if the system is externally operated or two if the driver does it. Probably best if the driver doesn't get involved. Replace the lollipop with a light system as used by some teams and you lose another person. I reckon with two people per wheel you'd be looking at about six seconds per stop.
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Norbert,Jul 29 2013
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If they want to make pit stops slower and increase safety by reducing the number of people in the pit lane, then there's a blindingly obvious solution. Limit the crew number. Right now, the number of people involved is huge:

8 wheel changers
4 wheel gunners
Front jack
Rear jack
Lollipop
Spare front jack for some teams
Spare rear jack for some teams
Some teams have one or two bystanders to keep the car steady
Some teams have several crew ready with extinguishers in case the brakes cause a fire
Other sundry crew just in case of some other issue like a wing replacement or alteration

It's usually reckoned on there being 20 people or more per stop. Perhaps a more politically correct arrangement would be:

Front jack
Rear jack
Lollipop
4x gunners
4x changers

Fit the cars with onboard jacks and you lose one person if the system is externally operated or two if the driver does it. Probably best if the driver doesn't get involved. Replace the lollipop with a light system as used by some teams and you lose another person. I reckon with two people per wheel you'd be looking at about six seconds per stop.

How about having the driver change his own tyres, then it is his fault if there's a prob with them <thumbsup>
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Hey Norbert. I don't see what any of this has to do with being politically correct.

I like to simplify things. I don't like a lot of rules.

Honestly for the FIA to prescribe how many people allowed to be involved. How many tyre holders, how many electronic wrenches, what position the lollipop man is in, etc. etc. And which ones.

The more rules you stick in then, generally, the more artificial the solution.
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No pitstops and make them carry a spare and a jack ;)

Don't forget the spare will have to fit front and back and drivers would have to compensate for any weird drifting caused by the weird tyre
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