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Boston Bombings; Shocking
Topic Started: Apr 16 2013, 12:11 PM (564 Views)
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I was talking to my friend in NY and asked what he thought was the chances of the Boston bombers being Muslim. He said greater than 95%.

The American Muslim community is worried that the bombers would be Muslims because it gives their religion a bad name and they are worried about the backlash.

Well guess what. Yup. Muslims. Again.

There is something about this religion that fosters violence and stupidity and ignorance. For that there can be no simple dismissal. It is, in my view, the biggest agent for fostering evil from man to man in our world.
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The Boston bombing suspects are I understand, ethnic Chechens which means they happen to be Muslim. I have seen nothing as yet to say their motives stem from their Religion.

About 25% of the worlds population (or around 1,600,000,000 people) are Muslim... lets be generous and say there are about 100,000 Muslim with terrorist leanings... ( I suspect it to be less others I'm sure say it's more) but that is a whopping 0.00625% of all Muslims... while the remaining 99.99375% of the rest are just honest ordinary people.

Now just for comparision... there are about 25,000,000 North Koreans of which 1,100,00 are in the military and another 8,200,000 are reserves... personally I would say that these non-muslims (with nuclear capability) pose a far greater threat to the world at large... but that is just me.

We all see things differently.. that is fine and in fact it is only to be expected... but we should be careful about tarring all Muslims with the same brush as the few exteremist... because @ 25% of the world population that is one bear you do not want to poke.

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The Koreans can be identified and contained. I consider them a much lower risk. Their armed forces have no where near the technology to fight a conventional war, and their ability to deliver nuclear weapons is primitive. Pakistan is a much greater threat and mainly because of the massive political instability caused by - yes you guessed it - radical Islamic forces.

As to only 100,000 Muslims with terrorist leanings - well - where did that number come from? You completely made it up. There are millions in Pakistan alone.

There are two things you cannot dismiss:

1. The vast majority of terrrorist acts committed world wide are committed by Muslims.
2. The religion does not tolerate criticism or free thought. And far too much of Muslims' lives are dictated by what they are told is the truth by Imams and what they are told to do by Imams.

Personally I am against most organized religions simply because they promote primitiveness and suppress free thought and questionning. Far too much damage has been done by organized religion.

But to me Islam is over the top. And the evidence - acts of violence, suppression, mal treatment of women - is irrefutable.

In any case, the Boston bombers were Muslims.

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Pasta,Apr 20 2013
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The Koreans can be identified and contained.  I consider them a much lower risk.  Their armed forces have no where near the technology to fight a conventional war, and their ability to deliver nuclear weapons is primitive.  Pakistan is a much greater threat and mainly because of the massive political instability caused by - yes you guessed it - radical Islamic forces.

As to only 100,000 Muslims with terrorist leanings - well - where did that number come from?  You completely made it up.  There are millions in Pakistan alone.

There are two things you cannot dismiss:

1.  The vast majority of terrrorist acts committed world wide are committed by Muslims.
2.  The religion does not tolerate criticism or free thought.  And far too much of Muslims' lives are dictated by what they are told is the truth by Imams and what they are told to do by Imams.

Personally I am against most organized religions simply because they promote primitiveness and suppress free thought and questionning.  Far too much damage has been done by organized religion.

But to me Islam is over the top.  And the evidence - acts of violence, suppression, mal treatment of women - is irrefutable.

In any case, the Boston bombers were Muslims.

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Pasta,Apr 20 2013
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The Koreans can be identified and contained. I consider them a much lower risk. Their armed forces have no where near the technology to fight a conventional war, and their ability to deliver nuclear weapons is primitive. Pakistan is a much greater threat and mainly because of the massive political instability caused by - yes you guessed it - radical Islamic forces.

As to only 100,000 Muslims with terrorist leanings - well - where did that number come from? You completely made it up. There are millions in Pakistan alone.

There are two things you cannot dismiss:

1. The vast majority of terrrorist acts committed world wide are committed by Muslims.
2. The religion does not tolerate criticism or free thought. And far too much of Muslims' lives are dictated by what they are told is the truth by Imams and what they are told to do by Imams.

Personally I am against most organized religions simply because they promote primitiveness and suppress free thought and questionning. Far too much damage has been done by organized religion.

But to me Islam is over the top. And the evidence - acts of violence, suppression, mal treatment of women - is irrefutable.

In any case, the Boston bombers were Muslims.

Cannot argue with that.
The day after 9/11 happened i was in a cafe having breakfast and a caretaker at the local college was discussing with the waitress who he appeared to know well how shocked he was at what he saw the day before. Not just the news but the fact the muslim students were he worked were joyous at what they had seen and were reenacting the planes hitting the Twin Towers by running around the canteen with their arms out wide. He was a close to retirement mild mannered guy in despair with what he had witnessed. Muslims born and raised in the UK in Burton on Trent, so hardly the radical muslim hot spot of the UK, celebrating a terrorist attack on USA!!
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From a Canadian journalist: http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.r...or8ca53mp6#mail

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If a friend from Ottawa who was running in the Boston Marathon had been just a few minutes slower, she would have run past when the bomb went off. If my wife had gone down to Lenscrafters in Copley Square, as she planned to do, she might have been there when the windows blew in. If one family who came to watch had moved just 20 feet one way or the other, their eight-year-old son might be alive today and the mother and daughter might not be fighting to recover in hospital.

If … if … if only.

The decisions involved hardly qualified as decisions and they made the difference between life and death.

We knew this about fate. We all know that tiny judgments can kill you. It is why we are anxious parents. Children are innocent about fate. Our work as adults is never to be innocent, while preserving theirs as long as we can.

It won’t be easy to explain to them why someone could feel entitled to put explosives in a bag and leave it to detonate among complete strangers. It is the sense of entitlement, the sense of being justified that is so hard to understand. It is a good thing really that we can’t explain malignity like this, because it will never move into the realm of the taken for granted.

We will never get used to it. We can live with fate, but not with terrorism, with humans acting as random dispensers of life and death. The marathon attacks were a particularly vile form of soft-target barbarism. What is sickening is the awareness that there is someone, very close by, who couldn’t care less about you but wants to make some point, political or otherwise, and to do so has decided to play God with your life.

We will never accept this kind of fate, because we cannot live without faith in ourselves. Terror seeks to destroy much more than our trust in others. It works its way into our heads by making us mistrust our own judgment. We know now that one unwitting decision can put us in the path of the shrapnel.

But we also know that we can’t keep second-guessing our judgment or the judgment of those charged to protect us. We have no choice but to put our trust in fate. We have to put our trust in each other. Terrorist attacks remind us what we owe each other and how deeply coded inside us this is. You could see the instincts of solidarity firing up in the streets of Boston on Monday: strangers holding strangers, applying tourniquets, pulling down barricades to get at bloodied victims.

The marathon will run next year. The crowds will come out next year. There will be quiet defiance, as there should be. “Who do they think we are?” will be a common thought. Furious and bitter nihilism is always there, at the edge of the light, at the edge of the city. There is always someone with a grievance who thinks they are entitled to decide who lives and dies. They do not prevail, because there are simply too many people who won’t let their lives be decided in this way, who have no other option in life but the conditional, limited, but vital trust of strangers that we must maintain if we are to get on with living.

Yet those like me, who are in Boston and are safe and sound, feel mournful stoicism today, as if life in general was harder and darker than we thought, as if we apprehend, once again, that maintaining the common life, the circle of trust that keeps us free, that allows us to make small decisions with some degree of confidence, just got more difficult. We shall prevail, we always do, justice will be done – we believe – and justice is more important to us now, because the fabric of life has been torn asunder and must be made whole again.


Michael Ignatieff teaches at the Munk School at the University of Toronto and at Harvard’s Kennedy School.
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Steelstallions,Apr 20 2013
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Muslims born and raised in the UK in Burton on Trent, so hardly the radical muslim hot spot of the UK, celebrating a terrorist attack on USA!!

Mrs H16 used to live in Burton on the Beer! Not too far from where we live now, just along the A50 and down a bit.

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That's an excellent contribution from Michael Ignatieff, Pasta. Thanks for posting <thumbsup>
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