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What the Fernando; is he allowed to say this?
Topic Started: Oct 27 2012, 06:12 PM (337 Views)
TheCompleteGuitarist
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/27/alon...fighting-newey/

He's not a member of a forum (probably) and so has no right to conspiracy theories and statements undermining the skill of his competitors, yet there he is saying for all the world to hear that Vettel has a car advantage AND IT'S NOT FAIR.

;)
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Fernando Alonso pointed out Red Bull’s performance advantage after qualifying fifth for the Indian Grand Prix


Not sure what your getting at TheCompleteGuitarist, he merely said the RB is faster than his, the reporter added the headline about Newey.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20109454

sorry, but . . . .



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"When we had similar cars to everyone, we were leading the championship. Now we are fighting against a Newey car," Alonso said after qualifying fifth.

"They are first and second in all the races; it's not only Sebastian."


If that isn't implying the advantage Newey brings to Sebs fortunes then I don't know. Maybe I am just a <dunce>

I'll get my coat.
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Steelstallions,Oct 27 2012
09:19 PM
... the reporter added the headline about Newey.

Nando is quoted as mentioning Newey as well, so it's not only the headline writer.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Oct 27 2012
06:12 PM
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/27/alon...fighting-newey/

He's not a member of a forum (probably) and so has no right to conspiracy theories and statements undermining the skill of his competitors, yet there he is saying for all the world to hear that Vettel has a car advantage AND IT'S NOT FAIR.

;)

If I have a problem with your post, TCG, it is you put words in FA's mouth.

He never said "AND IT'S NOT FAIR" and this was a conscious decision on your part to slant what FA said that was not intended. Especially the CAPS.

There is nothing in what FA said that would imply that he is whinging or complaining. He was totally matter of fact. He was saying what everyone knows - Adrian Newey makes the best cars and, because of that it is not just him racing Vettel, he is faced with a superior car. He was also in effect paying tribute to Adrian.

He logically set out his thoughts about race pace and what he needed to do (which he did BTW respecting getting past Hamilton and Button and later Webber).

Having said that, on a slow day for news, a decent TOPIC.

Cheers mate.
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John
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Alonso has been around F1 long enough to know how to say something aimed at psyching his rival out... He does not even have to believe what he is saying so long as it has the desired effect. It is like Ferrari leaking stories about Vettel having an agreement in place to race for them in 2014... anything to destabilise the opposition.

If it works great, if not then nothing lost.
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it's true, he didn't say that and I have been in a rather capricious mood recently as what looked like an exciting year of F1 peters out to the same old same old.

However, first Hamilton then Stewart and now Alonso all implying that they are not racing Vettel (at least not just him) but also having to compete against Newey upgrades.

I don't doubt Vettel's skill but we only see it in a fast car. I'm not saying Vettel has to demonstrate herculean endeavours every time his car's not up to spec, but when it isn't, he doesn't really put in great performances. And if Alonso had not been taken out of two races, he'd undoubtedly still be leading the title race despite a huge huge huge surge in performance of the RBR car.

I think I paraphrase Machiavelli when I say I agree by saying there is no fair or unfair, just winners and losers (yeah infact I am paraphrasing a comedy show that I lifted it from but I am sure you get the sentiment)

However, that still doesn't satisfy me. Me, that is I mean, why do I watch anything.

I often wonder how people choose to follow who they follow and I am sure there are a myriad of reasons but I think there are two key ones that polarize fans.

1. People who follow the best because they are the best and want to associate themselves with the best

2. Those that follow the fortunes of others to see how they fare in the hope that they might learn something from their experiences.

I fall into the second category

I am categorically not a winner . . . I purposely avoid any competitive outcome for various (known to me) reasons, fear of failure, weakness, fear of seeing others fail if I succeed. I don't really want to win that much. But I do want to learn, grow, enjoy and survive and I learn those by watching others do the same and noting where they succeed and where they fail.

This is where I compare Alonso Schumacher and Vettel

I have never been a fan of any of these as such BUT out of the three there is a lot to be learnt from how two achieved what they did, but one seems to have predominantly achieved through fortune. And by that I mean by being in the right time at the right place. Not that he was lucky to win races. He also had the talent to beat his (never beaten before by another team mate) team mate.

I don't doubt that at least LH, JB, FA and KR could all have achieved what Vettel did had they been in his place in his car.

So while I might make jokes (which I do a lot) I don't disrespect Vettel (any longer) I just don't care for the way in which he's succeeded.
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John,Oct 29 2012
07:55 PM
Alonso has been around F1 long enough to know how to say something aimed at psyching his rival out... He does not even have to believe what he is saying so long as it has the desired effect. It is like Ferrari leaking stories about Vettel having an agreement in place to race for them in 2014... anything to destabilise the opposition.

If it works great, if not then nothing lost.

True, he already did this when talking about his mini battle with the Mclarens at the start of the Indian GP
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Classic TCG <clap>

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John,Oct 29 2012
08:08 PM
Classic TCG <clap>

<yikes>


indeed . . . . it's definitely an opinion . . . . just like you have yours and I respect you for them. Note that I did not sign it in the presence of lawyers with the blood of a virgin (sadly unable to use my own anyl longer any way)
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Classic TCG as in a well developed reply. <thumbsup>

I would agree some F1 fans will fall into the two types you describe but there are many other types besides... I fall into neither of the you highlight.

It is well documented that I support/follow drivers and not teams (the exception being the BMW.Sauber F1 team between 2006 and 2009)

I started watching F1 in 1984 and took to following Mansell he was an established driver but hardly a winner but he was great to watch, as I recall he had a terrible year. I followed him and despite becoming a winner it looked like he would neve be Champion. In 1991 I saw a rookie who impressed me and I kept an eye on him while I mainly followed Nigle, in 1992 I had a great year Mansell dominated and became Champ and my 'other' guy won at Spa... Mansell leaves F1 so I get fully behind Schumacher with no expectation of a Championship but was I in for a ride... I never expected the success that he achieved but it was great. Then he retires just as BMW enter as a team so it was logical for me to start following the Marque I had been in love with ever since I had a holiday in Baveria (and was taken to the BMW Museum and the Dingolfing factory tour).

It was through following BMW Motorsport I came to know Vettel and so when he entered F1 I was already a fan of the lad.... BMW leave F1 end of 2009 so I am left supporting just the driver again... and again I could not have imagined his success... (I wish I was as lucky at the lottery as I have been in picking drivers to follow)

Fernando is a top class driver, and despite the lack of a Championship since 2006 is the best of the curent crop (only because Schumacher is past his prime <thumbsup> ). I rate Vettel below Alonso even if he should win a third WDC this year, and should Alonso win then it will mean more than if Vettel wins it but I will delight in a Vettel win all the same.
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John,Oct 29 2012
09:53 PM
I would agree some F1 fans will fall into the two types you describe but there are many other types besides... I fall into neither of the you highlight.

<thumbsup>

Not a problem and was not suggesting that you did, I did point out that they were only two strong reasons, not all.
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Yup, I re-read the word myriad after I had posted... <doh>
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