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| Race Day Thread, Korea; looks like I am on my own | |
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| John | Oct 15 2012, 07:23 AM Post #46 |
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Every WDC for at least the last 3 decades with the exception of maybe Piquet and Rosberg has won in a car that was in the top 3 in the constructors and more ofton than not it was the absolute best... I have alway maintained that drivers need the best car they can get but that the best cars on the grid are the best because they have the best pilots in them... you cannot pick and chose simply because you like one driver over another... Over this season the McLaren has proved to be the fastest car but that has not translated into wins... why? because their drivers are average, of course not, it is because they have had some of the worst luck this season. Vettel may have had a good run in the last 3 races but Alonso lost his lead because he was taken out of the points last race in Japan and with 4 races and 100 points still to play for Ferrari have it in their grasp... Korea is a new track which has suited the RBR so Alonso's 3rd place was actually a top result for him. Whichever of the two drivers that wins the WDc this year it will be against a field of unprecidented talant, 6 champions with 14 titles between them and 199 wins. Like I said the the comments against Vettel are disingenuous but not wholly unexpected. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 15 2012, 03:08 PM Post #47 |
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"disingenuous" - Not necessarily. We're all entitled not necessarily to our opinions but to find different things stimulating, challenging, interesting. Vettel is a human being, and like others has his negative side and his positive side. When things don't go his way, he sounds like an arse. But he's probably a pretty ok guy and I have said this before, I would personally probably get on better with him than with any other driver if I knew him socially. I actually don't follow drivers athletes or even musicians in terms of how good they are. Usually there is something about the situation that stirs me to follow them, a hinderance or difficulty that might help me put my own struggles in to perspective. I am not a win at all costs person and a excessively talented people rarely teach me or give me anything in terms of my own development. It's like saying the taller they are the more talented the basketball player. Being tall which really helps in basketball, is not a skill. Having a natural ability sometimes is not a skill, it's just there. That's not to say I don't value naturally gifted people, I do. But I see the reality of the situation with Vettel. Yes of course he's naturally gifted. But he's also incredibly lucky to find himself in the position he is in, so for me it's like an equation. Talent divided by luck equals the value I obtain from experiencing watching Vettel win, and even Hamilton to a degree. I grew up watching Mansell and then Hill against all odds achieve something. Hill came out of relative obscurity (at least as a racer in his own right )and Mansell had to mortgage his house just to stay in the sport. Their endeavours speak more to me than seeing Vettel climb to the top of some 'corporate' race development program like he just came through some soviet style aptitude selection. I really acknowledge that he is talented and even though I still really doubt his ability to race from the pack, putting the car in a winning position is yes a talent and one that he is the master at. It's just not my thing. So I would rather see Button screw up his qualiy and watch him race through the pack which he has done plenty of times than watch Vettel nail pole time and time again and dominate a race. So if nothing else, John, it's at least worth acknowledging that peoples different opinions run far deeper than a simple disingenuous-ness. I say all this in the spirit of the discussions that we have on here that we all bring something different to the table and completely respect your choices as being different than mine. |
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| Norbert | Oct 15 2012, 03:23 PM Post #48 |
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No, it's a horse....
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| Norbert | Oct 15 2012, 03:33 PM Post #49 |
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I think Vettel is in the same league as Hamilton. Put him in a solid car and he will outshine everyone else. Toro Rosso had a slight peak at a track requiring little in the way of downforce which is of course what smaller teams lack anyway. To his credit, Vettel took the opportunity with both hands and produced the team's first and only pole and victory. Would, say, Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher and even maybe Button or webber have done the same? Probably. But they are all very talented drivers. Would Vettel or Hamilton have had the Ferrari sat at the top of the table until the last race? I'm not so sure. Even the statistically greatest of all time has shown he has issues fighting for places in an average (or worse car), yet managed a theoretical pole this year. Vettel has proved he has serious talent, but for the most part of his career he's had one of the best cars, and one with a reputation for crossing the line with regard to the rulebook more often than all the others put together in recent years. Similarly, Hamilton has been in one of the best teams ever, right from the start, and has struggled to shake off Button, who with the exception of his championship year with a car that stole a march on everyone at the beginning, has looked pretty ordinary for most of his career. I think Mercedes will show what Hamilton is really made of. Knowing Ferrari, they'll make an arse of the 2014 car because of the new regs and take a season or more to catch back up. As a result of which, we'll see what Vettel is really made of as well. I think if they end up like Mercedes, Alonso will beat him hands down. |
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| John | Oct 15 2012, 04:37 PM Post #50 |
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Actually it looks like a SStallion
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| Steelstallions | Oct 15 2012, 09:00 PM Post #51 |
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No, i am just hung like a stallion
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