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More from our brave Taliban boys!!!!; What a world we live in.
Topic Started: Oct 10 2012, 02:32 PM (1,161 Views)
Norbert
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What does an inter-racial marriage have to do with not being able to be racist? That's a bit like stating as a bloke that you're not sexist because you married a woman, isn't it?

The majority of topics you start on this forum appear to be specifically for the purposes of bashing Muslims and/or any country that you don't agree with. I completely accept that the majority of the radical terrorists who kill allegedly in the name of religion happen to be of a Muslim origin, but that does not mean that the majority of Muslims are radical terrorists, nor support the idea. It is failing to make that distinction and tarring everyone with the same brush that is the issue. Unless you are going to tell me that every Irishman is an IRA member, and that every Catholic priest is a kiddie fiddler of course....? Likewise, every Scotsman is tight-fisted, and every American is a fat idiot. All English people prefer to stand in queues and not complain about anything etc, and Welshman spend all day shagging sheep.

Perhaps drawing a distinction between racial stereotypes and the actual truth might be a good idea?
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Lord Tau
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Why has this thread got more posts and comments than the many of the ones in the motorsport section, considering this is a motorsport board?
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Norbert,Oct 31 2012
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What does an inter-racial marriage have to do with not being able to be racist? That's a bit like stating as a bloke that you're not sexist because you married a woman, isn't it?

The majority of topics you start on this forum appear to be specifically for the purposes of bashing Muslims and/or any country that you don't agree with. I completely accept that the majority of the radical terrorists who kill allegedly in the name of religion happen to be of a Muslim origin, but that does not mean that the majority of Muslims are radical terrorists, nor support the idea. It is failing to make that distinction and tarring everyone with the same brush that is the issue. Unless you are going to tell me that every Irishman is an IRA member, and that every Catholic priest is a kiddie fiddler of course....? Likewise, every Scotsman is tight-fisted, and every American is a fat idiot. All English people prefer to stand in queues and not complain about anything etc, and Welshman spend all day shagging sheep.

Perhaps drawing a distinction between racial stereotypes and the actual truth might be a good idea?

OK Norbert. A good starting point.

Might I say at the outset that the problem with these kinds of topics is people read quickly and react quickly. My request has always been to be substantive.

Substantive.

To whit you say:

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The majority of topics you start on this forum appear to be specifically for the purposes of bashing Muslims and/or any country that you don't agree with.


It is not, nor has it ever been my intent to bash. Confront, yes. Create dialogue, yes. Peel back the layers of deceit even yes.

I am not sure how anyone can interpret what I write as being as droll as you insinuate.

Can I please ask a favour? Consider what I write as words from someone who is passionate about addressing the abuses of those in power to the detriment of just normal folks. That is where my heart is.

You cannot also just white wash the silent majority of good Muslims being equated with the minority (?) of extremist Muslims. The truth is they are too silent and there is a reason for that. We need to examine that reason.

I do not stereotype in any non-justified manner. Tight fisted Scotsman etc. Nothing in any of my writings indicate that if you read them.

As to the majority of topics I start - well you got me there.

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As to the majority of topics I start - well you got me there.


Whatever anyone thinks, I actually like people. I care a lot and that is why I try to help even when I know I can't afford to.

Stereotyping....

There is always some truth and in fact a lot of truth.

There is much good in Philippine culture, but also a whole lot more that is not good.

Filipino men. What a lot they can be. It is a cultural thing.

Beyond the idiosyncrasies there are just usurious men and they are many. They cultivate young girls, tell them they love them, and then get them to go abroad to be maids or prostitutes but send money back to them. It is so incredibly prevalent. Hundreds of thousands. Often they have kids which the men use to ensure they control the money.

One of the worst periods of my life was when I ran out of money in about 2001. The people I was putting through school - I couldn't do it anymore. I was begging for food money on a daily basis for my family in Hong Kong. My electricity and phone was cut off on many occassions. I remember one time sitting on my toilet for about an hour waiting for the bailif to leave. I had a court appointed guy living in my house for a week to make sure I didn't take any possessions out of my flat.

The kids in the Philippines didn't believe me. They thought I was a liar and some how cheating them. They tried to put so much pressure and guilt on me to just give them a little more to finish school. They simply didn't believe I was broke.

As to this virtual idiot John:

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What a caustic, sarcastic, superficial person. Never anything of depth. Just goes for his sound bites.

Pal, if you don't have anything meaningful to say, then don't get in the mix.
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Lord Tau,Oct 31 2012
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Why has this thread got more posts and comments than the many of the ones in the motorsport section, considering this is a motorsport board?

Finally, LT, the answer to your question.

People are becoming more aware of some major issues. It affects us all. It is incredibly important. I think WWIII is going to start over religion.

Beyond that ultimately we are for the most part caring people. It is confusing and complex why people hurt other people. Especially when it is women and children that are abused.

Modern slavery, child brides, mutation of women, fatwahs and on and on.

Most people don't understand it, and are worried.

The dialogue is important. It is in the news every day. It is serious stuff.

So if we can have that dialogue in this, or any other forum, that is good. People get heated, angry and in the case of John, maybe one day he can put more than two terse sentences together.

1.5 billion people belong to an intolerant religion. 1.5 billion people belong to a prejudiced state. 300 million people live in a despotic Russia. 100 million Americans don't believe in dental care. No Brits believe in dental care.

LT these are issues that are in the news and people are concerned. Why not talk about them?
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John,Oct 31 2012
04:05 PM
Saint Greg <bow>

OK sarcastic John.

I have laid out some of the things I have done and you mock me.

Tell us all, you prospective light weight, what you have done.

I will ask for confirmation.

What a lightweight.
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Lord Tau,Oct 31 2012
06:20 PM
Why has this thread got more posts and comments than the many of the ones in the motorsport section, considering this is a motorsport board?

And besides, we already know where all the drivers are going, who is going to win the WDC, and even what tyres are for the next race.
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Pasta,Oct 31 2012
09:30 PM
Lord Tau,Oct 31 2012
06:20 PM
Why has this thread got more posts and comments than the many of the ones in the motorsport section, considering this is a motorsport board?

And besides, we already know where all the drivers are going, who is going to win the WDC, and even what tyres are for the next race.

No we don't.
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everythingoes
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As Norbert said, its the wide brush that is used to paint people a certain way that I find objectionable. The way I see it is that everyone who posts here (or at least a very very large majority) knows who the terrorists are and where they come from and what religion they follow or how they choose to interpret the tenets of Islam. I doubt very many are willing to therefore label all Muslims terrorists. You see the point?

Whatever the motivation of the posts might be, but it comes across as just another reason to have a bash.

Pasta, let me give you an example, you mentioned the Deodorant thread in one of your earlier posts. There was a link to an article about a deodorant commercial being banned for being offensive to women.

You also posted something about the status of women and gender bias and other stuff that goes on in India.

I had replied saying that the advertisement was terrible and deserved to be banned. You then posted some more about the state of women in India.
The point is, because of atrocities against women in India, should the advertisement not have been banned? Or not be banned till all the other acts are stopped? What? What had the banning of the advertisement got to do with anything else? Yes, it happens in India. Like a lot of people it infuriates me too, but I cannot see what any of that had to do with the article about banning an offensive advertisement.

One then begins to see a similar pattern in your subsequent posts and threads. It looks like its there only as an excuse to have another bash.

The key part is IT APPEARS to be a bash. Get the point?

Whatever we may be in real life and whatever we may have or not have done, its immaterial on a message board. What is seen is HOW OUR POSTS APPEAR on the board.

I don't share too much personal information about myself on the board, because I don't feel the need to use it to validate my posts here. Thats a personal choice.

How or what I like or find objectionable is dependent on what I see posted on the board. Not by the nationality or anything else. What you have been posting comes across as racist and bigoted. Thats what I said.
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Pasta,Oct 31 2012
10:07 PM
Pal, if you don't have anything meaningful to say, then don't get in the mix.

I'm sorry Pici, can I stay if I post racist bigoted comments instead... <think>
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I will accept your comments ETG. I will take them with the good intent I believe you have made them. Of the conflicts I seem to have with some members, I sincerely mean you are the one I didn't want to have a conflict with.

May I ask a favor in return please. Notwithstanding the appearance, my heart is good. I have done good things that have required much of my time and money. I also am a bit of an activist.

Would you please cut me a bit of slack. You and another have called me a racist and a bigot. That was pretty offensive to me, and it is not true at all.

I just got called on the carpet for going too far - probably respecting John though I am not sure. I replied to Norbert that I would try to control myself, but asked him to also contact you and John as well and request that you don't call me a racist or bigot or other derogatory terms. I also requested Norbert contact John and ask him to not be so sarcastic.

We can all be offensive.

I appreciate that you like to be private. My point in stating the things I have done, which I would not have otherwise stated, is because of the things you said about me.

Here is a rub. I get criticism due to your perceptions. But not you or John or anyone other than H16 has acknowledged my efforts. You feel free to call me names but in the face of what I say I have done, you make no comment. That is not balanced.

In any case, I am willing to put all aside and go forth with a clean slate with you.

Respecting John, I simply request neither of us post to each other. He leaves me alone and I leave him alone.
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Fair enough, Pasta.

I don't see it as a conflict, though. We had a difference of opinion, we've dealt with it, in public and without it getting into an ugly slanging match, which it could very easily have become. That says something.

I don't hold grudges, so we're good.

I'd request you don't hold anything against me or anyone else. It makes for a happier board.

We're all here for the same reason, essentially to discuss motorsports and other things, and to have fun doing it.
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