Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to The Pit Lane. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
More from our brave Taliban boys!!!!; What a world we live in.
Topic Started: Oct 10 2012, 02:32 PM (1,163 Views)
John
Team Boss
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Pasta,Oct 29 2012
09:25 PM
Go away please...

err... NO <icecream>
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Pasta
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
I might say the two most vocal critics of those of us who fight for women's rights and equality and decency never do justify their positions. They do, however, call us decent folks racists and bigots. They go overboard to justify or explain why bad things are done. Actually they don't, because they can't.

If I criticize or comment about the abuses of women or children in a country or a religion or a race, I am branded as a bigot or racist. The fact that I am in an inter-racial marriage with kids from such inter-racial marriage, and the fact that I have very old friends from many cultures is ignored. I am a bigot and a racist because I state my observations. That is censureship and paranoia.

John and everythingoes.

Neither ever gives any support or justification for acts and of course they can't. They just shout "racist" "bigot".

This is sad because it detracts from the good that they both have in them. They are wrong.

Now John, give me a smilie cookie to show how smart you really are.

What a .... <dunce>
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Pasta
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
John,Oct 29 2012
08:33 PM
Pasta,Oct 29 2012
09:25 PM
Go away please...

err... NO <icecream>

You really are an idiot aren't you.

What a *comment removed by admin*.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
H16 BRM
Member Avatar
Refueller
[ *  *  * ]
John,Oct 29 2012
08:15 PM
your fears are irrational and and being gulible makes you a target for right wing scare mongers.

Having lived for two years in Saudi Arabia I know what I think......and it is not irrational!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
John
Team Boss
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Pasta,Oct 29 2012
09:43 PM
What a *comment removed by admin*.

Yes you are a bit :s ...


You might want to read this... again
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
everythingoes
Member Avatar

Admin
Pasta,Oct 30 2012
02:10 AM
I might say the two most vocal critics of those of us who fight for women's rights and equality and decency never do justify their positions.  They do, however, call us decent folks racists and bigots.  They go overboard to justify or explain why bad things are done.  Actually they don't, because they can't. 

If I criticize or comment about the abuses of women or children in a country or a religion or a race, I am branded as a bigot or racist.  The fact that I am in an inter-racial marriage with kids from such inter-racial marriage, and the fact that I have very old friends from many cultures is ignored.  I am a bigot and a racist because I state my observations.  That is censureship and paranoia.

John and everythingoes.

Neither ever gives any support or justification for acts and of course they can't.  They just shout "racist" "bigot".

This is sad because it detracts from the good that they both have in them.  They are wrong.

Now John, give me a smilie cookie to show how smart you really are.

What a .... <dunce>

Pasta, let me explain why I don't, according to you, bother to 'explain'.

Heres a clue
Quote:
 
those of us who fight for women's rights and equality and decency

Posting articles does not constitute fighting for women's right, or any such grand design. Its merely an excuse to then proceed to bash, malign, criticize and have a rant about a group, religion, country or people you don't like.

If anything it denotes delusions of grandeur, or at least portray yourself in a way thats completely contrary to reality. If one was to go by your posts, then, in reality you are exactly what you've taken such offence to being called.

Quote:
 
They do, however, call us decent folks racists and bigots.

Again it was one of your posts, or the views contained therein that I referred to as racist and bigoted. Not any one person, and definitely not anyone else. So what are you trying to prove by using the collective ' us' here. Do you mean anyone else who doesn't bother to express umbrage to your rantings? Any other member who has posted in this or any other thread of your ranty threads? Who? Western world resident Caucasian Christians, is it? Who? Because you seemingly consider everyone else to be uneducated terrorist?

Let me explain that any of the acts that you so virulently condemned are condemnable, we all see that. But what we (and I use the collective 'we' to include other members of this messageboard) don't do, is paint the entire country, race or religious group in the same brush. We recognise that these are acts of INDIVIDUALS belonging to a certain country, race or religious group.

I am pretty certain anyone else reading this will be able to figure out the difference.

This is why your posts have to be considered bigoted and racist.

How come we are expected to believe
Quote:
 
The fact that I am in an inter-racial marriage with kids from such inter-racial marriage, and the fact that I have very old friends from many cultures is ignored.
because you say so, but not what your repeated posts convey?

The reason, I'm posting this on the thread and not by PM is because you happily go around posting the most vile things on the board, and when anyone objects, you immediately suggest dealing with it by PM or email.

If you want to have the freedom to post what you wish on the board, you should also have the courage to see it being criticized.

Quote:
 
That is censureship and paranoia.

No, its not. This is a messageboard comprising people from all over, with all kinds of beliefs and backgrounds. Its not a forum for repeated rants about believers of a certain faith or residents of a particular country or anything else.

We are equal members of this board. Not superior or inferior bases on beliefs, nationality or support of a particular team or driver or anything else.

You could be the secret love child of Mahatma Gandhi & Mother Theresa, with Martin Luthor King Jr. & Nelson Mandela as your uncles. For that matter, so could I.

It doesn't matter.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
H16 BRM
Member Avatar
Refueller
[ *  *  * ]
everythingoes,Oct 30 2012
10:49 AM


Heres a clue
Quote:
 
those of us who fight for women's rights and equality and decency

Posting articles does not constitute fighting for women's right, or any such grand design. Its merely an excuse to then proceed to bash, malign, criticize and have a rant about a group, religion, country or people you don't like.




Some of us do a lot more than post articles!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
pedal power
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
to quote obi wan kenobi, Many of the truths that we cling to depend on our point of view
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
H16 BRM
Member Avatar
Refueller
[ *  *  * ]
pedal power,Oct 30 2012
03:09 PM
to quote obi wan kenobi, Many of the truths that we cling to depend on our point of view

"May the Force be with you!"
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
everythingoes
Member Avatar

Admin
H16 BRM,Oct 30 2012
05:32 PM
everythingoes,Oct 30 2012
10:49 AM


Heres a clue
Quote:
 
those of us who fight for women's rights and equality and decency

Posting articles does not constitute fighting for women's right, or any such grand design. Its merely an excuse to then proceed to bash, malign, criticize and have a rant about a group, religion, country or people you don't like.




Some of us do a lot more than post articles!

I am aware you do, H16 BRM. This didn't allude to you.
<thumbsup>
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Pasta
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
For a while I was putting 11 underprivileged kids through school from the Philippines. I housed them, fed them, paid for tuition and medical costs. I did this for about 5 years until the financial crisis cost me pretty much all my money and I couldn't afford it anymore.

I also started a program and got donations to match mine to find wayward fathers of children and their mothers that they abandoned. Sometimes really difficult to find these guys particularly if they left the country. We approached embassies and the US military for assistance.

Always sad to see young women having to do all sorts of bad things to survive and take care of their kids after the fathers abandoned them.

Does this count ETG???

Sometimes I get frustrated when I read about things. So I post. That is not a rant per se. Maybe what you don't like is the truth in much of what I say. If I target some groups because they have a high propensity for committing certain acts is that wrong? Is that being racist? Or just being accurate. Reporting the news and then trying to interpret? Gives you cause for alarm??

Please don't pretend to take the high road mate.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Pasta
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
And also, for the record, I have raised one adult son and two youngsters (ages now 24, 12 and 8) pretty much all by myself as a single parent. The 12 year old and 8 year old I have raised, as a single parent, for about 7 years. The 24 year old I had sole custody since he was 11 until he left for Canada to go to university.

5 years ago I found out that the 12 year old was not mine as a result of a DNA test to try to get him Canadian citizenship. He is learning impaired and 3 years behind in school. I have to tutor him almost every day and it is so exhausting.

Their mothers (on English and the other Filipino) thought I was the better parent, and the kids chose me.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
H16 BRM
Member Avatar
Refueller
[ *  *  * ]
everythingoes,Oct 31 2012
08:40 AM
H16 BRM,Oct 30 2012
05:32 PM
everythingoes,Oct 30 2012
10:49 AM


Heres a clue
Quote:
 
those of us who fight for women's rights and equality and decency

Posting articles does not constitute fighting for women's right, or any such grand design. Its merely an excuse to then proceed to bash, malign, criticize and have a rant about a group, religion, country or people you don't like.




Some of us do a lot more than post articles!

I am aware you do, H16 BRM. This didn't allude to you.
<thumbsup>

I did say some of US .

I believe in religious, political and personal freedom. The rights to choose and the right to have your right respected. I do get upset when people force others to change or modify their wishes, hopes and dreams. I am with Pasta on this.
In my (not unlimited) experience Islam seems to be leading the way in denying peoples' basic rights. I wish it was not so but I have yet to see any meaningful acknowledgement from the vast number of moderate Muslim people that this is wrong and therefore let us do something about it. They just don't say that.
How I wish we could all start again and get on with each other. What a better world it would be.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Pasta
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Thanks mate - I know you know some of my history.

The posting of articles is not a rant. It is part of what we do to raise awareness. Forums are just one of many media.

While often we cause friction, we encourage awareness and debate.

I know the first time ETG had an issue with me was when I commented upon how women are treated in India - not knowing until then he was from India.

ETG took offense. I replied that India and China are the world leaders in gender specific abortion. It is a cause for alarm in an assortment of organizations including the Indian government and the UN.

The reality is also that in many parts of India women are still treated as chattels. Again not just me saying this, but all manner of government, media, human's rights organizations and so on.

Instead of dealing with the issue substantively - say acknowledging the problem and discussing it intelligently, openly and honestly - ETG accused me of being a racist. He did. What he did not do was look honestly inward to his own country.

He also called me a racist. When I mention I
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Pasta
Member Avatar
Chief Engineer
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Thanks mate - I know you know some of my history.

The posting of articles is not a rant. It is part of what we do to raise awareness. Forums are just one of many media.

While often we cause friction, we encourage awareness and debate.

I know the first time ETG had an issue with me was when I commented upon how women are treated in India - not knowing until then he was from India.

ETG took offense. I replied that India and China are the world leaders in gender specific abortion. It is a cause for alarm in an assortment of organizations including the Indian government and the UN.

The reality is also that in many parts of India women are still treated as chattels. Again not just me saying this, but all manner of government, media, human's rights organizations and so on.

Instead of dealing with the issue substantively - say acknowledging the problem and discussing it intelligently, openly and honestly - ETG accused me of being a racist. He did. What he did not do was look honestly inward to his own country.

He also called me a racist. When I mention I had an inter-racial marriage and kids he conveniently ignores this - never makes mention of it.

Now that is what I call bias. And the pot calls the kettle black.

ETG writes well and there is no denying that. But he is not substantive. His eloquence hides that.

Finally the benefit of these forums and modern media is to communicate views and opinions, particularly as they relate to problems and abuses and corruption and so forth.

To be shut down and labelled is so similar to what the nutter clerics do.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Views on the News · Next Topic »
Add Reply