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More from our brave Taliban boys!!!!; What a world we live in.
Topic Started: Oct 10 2012, 02:32 PM (1,162 Views)
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Link to BBC news story.

All this makes me sick.
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Always tragic when equal rights campaigners are attacked, what a brave girl.
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H16 BRM,Oct 10 2012
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Link to BBC news story.

All this makes me sick.

Knowing what I do about you, this must be particularly horrible to you.

The thing is there can never be a meeting of the minds with these people. They are so warped they are beyond any redemption.
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Just thinking a bit more.

There are people, like you, who extend themselves to help people who need help. Sometimes people you have never met but ultimately do meet. You contribute your time and money to save lives. A little girl perhaps.

I too have done similar things.

Then we hear of barbarians and bullies who not only are so stupid to think it is right to suppress little girls from learning, they are actually so evil as to believe they have the right to punish them for disagreeing.

Sometimes I think I go overboard in my rants and raves in this forum. The thing is I am passionate in my pursuits of learning and my beliefs in equality and compassion. I suffer fools badly I am afraid.

I completely understand how much this story would upset you. Me too.

The problems that this story points out will only be solved by learning, and yet that learning is being supressed. There will be many more good lives that are extinguished and many centuries of pain before this evil beast is brought under control - if ever.

Anyway - Not much else worth saying.
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Just thinking a bit more.

There are people, like you, who extend themselves to help people who need help. Sometimes people you have never met but ultimately do meet. You contribute your time and money to save lives. A little girl perhaps.

I too have done similar things.

Then we hear of barbarians and bullies who not only are so stupid to think it is right to suppress little girls from learning, they are actually so evil as to believe they have the right to punish them for disagreeing.

Sometimes I think I go overboard in my rants and raves in this forum. The thing is I am passionate in my pursuits of learning and my beliefs in equality and compassion. I suffer fools badly I am afraid.

I completely understand how much this story would upset you. Me too.

The problems that this story points out will only be solved by learning, and yet that learning is being supressed. There will be many more good lives that are extinguished and many centuries of pain before this evil beast is brought under control - if ever.

Anyway - Not much else worth saying.

Education is the only way to break the circle of poverty which traps the vast number of people in the developing world. It is something I am passionate about and I attempt to make a difference no matter how small by sowing a seed which I hope will one day grow to be a great tree.

Not in my lifetime maybe but if we all just stood back and did nothing we will reap what we sow.

As an aside I have dealings with a child development project in Indonesia which is located in a Muslim area of Jakarta. When I met the leader of the project I was informed that the local Muslim leadership had advised him to close the project or he would be killed! Why? Cannot these people want the best for the people who they live alongside. How can a supposedly secular Indonesia Government allow this to happen?

Well he has refused and 289 needy children (some Muslim) still have education, free medical care and a hope that they can make something of their lives.

God, I am pissed off!
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Just to mention today is "The International day of the Girl"


International Day of the Girl

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H16 BRM,Oct 11 2012
03:28 PM
Just to mention today is "The International day of the Girl"


International Day of the Girl

Good article. You should join me and post more on these topics.

I know I upset a lot of people and maybe bore even more. Nevertheless these are topics that are incredibly important.

People like you and me take our hard earned money to contribute to education of under privaledged, and then wholly ignorant jerks take away so much more. Almost always men.

The problem is not getting better, it is getting worse.

If I may call a spade a spade, Saudi Arabia is perhaps the global sponsor. However idiotic I consider the Iranian leadership (ok and Pakistani and Afghani and ....), at least girls are allowed to go to school in Iran.

Where the money from Saudi reaches, education for girls (and arguably free education for anyone) is denied.

I know I am being silly, but nuke Riyahd and much of global problems will wane.

Cheers
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It is everywhere....

From the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20003610

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Dabra is a typical village in India's rural Haryana state.

It has narrow lanes with open drains and small houses built of brick and mud.

Children play in the dirt, while men sit around smoking. Not many outsiders visit this poor farming community.

But outside one of the houses two policemen stand on guard.

Inside, a 16-year-old girl sits in one of the rooms surrounded by women.

She is the reason the police are here.

Six weeks ago, she was out walking on the street when she was abducted by a dozen men.

"They dragged me inside the car and blindfolded me," she says, staring ahead, her voice steady but emotionless.

"They took me by the side of a river. There, seven of them took turns to rape me.

"The others kept watch."

'Overcome with shame'

Her ordeal did not end there. The men filmed the assault on their mobile phones and circulated the images in this deeply conservative society.

Men still call the shots in India's rural villages
"Her father was so overcome with shame and the humiliation that he poisoned himself," the girl's cousin said.

"We rushed him to the hospital but it was too late to save him."

Nine of the alleged attackers have been arrested. But the others are still at large.

Last year, 733 rapes were reported in Haryana. Most such assaults go unreported.

Sexual violence against women takes place all over India. But what stands out in Haryana is the social attitude towards women.

In a region that is just a short drive from Delhi, the modern capital of one of the word's rising powers, men still call the shots.

In the rural district of Jind, a traditional village council meeting is under way.

Inside a large hall, elderly men sit on wooden cots, smoking pipes. There is a not a single woman among them.

And as they have for centuries, they pass judgement - on social mores, on women and on the recent spate of rapes.

"I'll tell you the main reason for these rapes," explains Suresh Koth, one of the elders.

"Just look at what's in the newspapers, on television. Topless women. This is what's corrupting our youth. After all this is India, not Europe."

'Kangaroo courts'

These are comments which cannot be dismissed lightly.

These are the khaps, the all-male village councils that are tremendously powerful both socially and politically.

Traditional village councils rarely include women
"They often function like kangaroo courts, creating laws for society, determining what women must do, how people should behave," says rights activist Ranjana Kumari, of the Centre for Social Research.

"And if people don't follow them, they intimidate them and threaten violence, including honour killings."

Khaps are unelected bodies but politicians and governments are wary of taking them on.

They can help to deliver votes during elections, which means they are often indispensable to politicians.

But there is a growing sense of outrage across India at their pronouncements following the recent spate of rapes.

One council elder was reported as saying that girls should be forced to marry young to protect them from rapists. Others routinely blame Western influences.

Many people believe they have no place in a modern, democratic and liberal India. But taking them on is not going to be easy.

Back in Dabra, the impact of what happened a few weeks ago is already apparent.

"The girls in my neighbourhood have stopped going to school," the young rape victim says.

"I am frightened too."


Maybe I am just looking at it from my western perspective. I note a common thread in many parts of the world. Everything is blamed on the west.
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Open letter From An American Airline Pilot

This pilot hit the nail right on the head in his open letter.

The paper stated that some Muslim doctor is saying we are profiling him because he has been checked three times while getting on an airplane.

The following is a letter from a pilot. This well spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart, beautifully.....


YOU WORRY ME!
By Captain John Maniscalco, American Airlines Pilot

I've been trying to say this since 911, but you worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me.

I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate, but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings, killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers.

The Palestinians celebrated, the Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world. So, I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage, hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists but I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.

How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Americans and the Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know and I have a right to know, whether or not you love America . Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation; that He will protect it and let it prosper? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your Jihads? Are you thankful for the freedom that this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by also paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America ? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America .. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent, because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks, because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy; I am interested only in action. What will you do for America - our great country - at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting 'Allah Bless America '. I want to see young Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize right now in Muslim communities. You know them.

You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States proves who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing 'leaders' like Khadafy, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people, then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good, pure, and true, when your 'leaders' are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance? It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if huge numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us -our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family.

I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance, and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand.

Until then, “YOU WORRY ME!”

CANADIAN COMMENTS:
I totally agree with this sentiment. I hope you will forget all about the 'political correctness' mandate we've had rammed down our throats, and see if this doesn't ring true in your heart and mind. For Canada , with all the multiculturalism we've been told is so important....why should we not, as Canadians, expect that the millions of new people immigrating to our country will show their love for our country, their allegiance to our country, their willingness to obey the laws of our country, and acceptance that we are a Christian country? Just because they are able to enjoy exercising their own religion, they should not expect us to be ashamed of ours. They knew Canada was a Christian country when they came here. Why are we erasing Christianity because immigrants who are unwilling to adopt our way of life expect us to? There is just too much insanity in the world, and we have to start taking a stand.

I hope you will forward this, so that others will feel they are not alone if they are starting to feel the same.


BRITAIN ’S COMMENTS:
At last a clear non racist example of the concerns that the vast majority of our Nation’s population probably share. The pilot’s letter encapsulates all that is fair and just about national pride and protection of one’s national culture. I fear it may be too late here in UK but we too want our country back in the form that attracted all these different cultures to come here in the first place!! In all our conversations with a wide range of friends and acquaintances we have not met one that disagrees with our own views. If only we all had the courage of our convictions to pass this on – it is a statement that should be accepted as the heart-felt feelings of someone with honest commendable national pride.

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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/worryme.asp

How gulible are you...
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It doesn't matter how gulible I appear. Whoever wrote that piece encapsulated my fears and worries. I could have been clever and have edited it to appear to be all my own work but I didn't.
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your fears are irrational and and being gulible makes you a target for right wing scare mongers.
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I suppose everyone knows what side of the fence I might be landing on.

In truth Muslims and Arabs have complained about being profiled at airports. Personally I am a bit tired of having to take off my shoes and belts at airports because of the terrorist threats that are virtually exclusively Muslims and/or Arabs.

Why they complain is beyond me.

Now here is the crux of this "Letter". It is incredibly well written and completely accurate. Muslims do not do enough to confront those who abuse their "religion". The whole sect/religion is both archaic and dangerous. It is not transparent. It is dark ages stuff and the moderates are doing nothing to protect their religion.

Why? They are perhaps afraid. The truth is the silence of the good is deafening and allowing the cancer to spread.

I honestly don't know why Arabs and Pakistanis and Afghanis and all the rest are so violent and primitive and whatever. I know many would just love a bit of peace and prosperity. However it is Islamists that are preventing this and maybe it is because Arabs or whatever are violent by nature. Brainwashed since birth.

Who knows. The irrefutable truth, however, is that terrorism is the virtually sole prerogative of Muslims.

They are committing their crimes against humanity under the guise of it being sanctioned by their religion.

Let them eat pork, I say.

Hightened awareness and dialogue is important. And John.

Dear John.

Try to be substantive. I am getting tired of your one liners. But you can't, can you. Not a question.

Also was H16 BRM gulible or gullible?

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John,Oct 29 2012
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your fears are irrational and and being gulible makes you a target for right wing scare mongers.

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My goodness John. Are you an idiot? Just a question.

His fears are irrational???

Suicide bombers going off everywhere. Young girls enslaved and if they fight they are killed or mangled.

Schools for girls banned and bombed. Acid sprayed on faces of young girls.

Fatwahs issued here and there for anyone who publicly complains about the excesses - no problem for you John??

Etc.

What on earth is your center John?

You never ever state your position. You never justify anything. Just jibberish one liners.

Go away please if you can't do better than what you have done heretofore.

I really don't care if you are a moderator or whatever. You have never, and I mean never, put forth anything of intelligence on this subject.

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