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| Grosjean - To Forgive or Not | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 9 2012, 04:27 PM (656 Views) | |
| Pasta | Oct 9 2012, 04:27 PM Post #1 |
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The BBC's Gary Anderson says that Romain is under so much pressure that he cannot drive properly any more. He feels that people should back off and give him some confidence - the lack of confidence being now the cause of the first lap accidents. Grosjean looks fast and could be an entertaining driver. The reality is, however, he has had 8 first lap take outs out of 12 races. That must be a record. Breast feed him, do what you wish to calm him, but why should the other drivers pay the price? They shouldn't. Pastor admitted his problems and is apparently correcting his attitude. Grosjean has not. He needs help and it may be he is simply not appropriate for F1. I like empirical evidence. 8 first lap incidents in 12 races tells me he should not be in F1. I think it is up to him to prove he can drive in F1 first, before he is allowed to drive in F1 anymore. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 9 2012, 05:04 PM Post #2 |
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Accidents happen, for goodness sake, Webber drove into the back of a Caterham and flipped his car, he's no one to point a finger. That accident could have been far worse for both drivers and spectators. I say let Grosjean be, you cannot criticize him everytime he's involved in a racing incident. |
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| Pasta | Oct 9 2012, 07:05 PM Post #3 |
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Hey Jude, just let him be. He had a bad start In the first cornererer. The minute you let him under your wing Then you begin To lose the first cornerer...... 8 takeouts out of 12 races first lap? Let him be? Just racing incidents? Again 8 out of 12 races first lap. World record TCG He has had more to do with the drivers championship than anyone else. Shumi was penalized 10 places for a second incident. OK I won't criticize him every time. Just every third time. The whole notion of letting him calm down and understand him is ok, but in a different formula - not Formula 1. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 10 2012, 02:35 AM Post #4 |
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I'll give you he's not had a good season, but let's be honest, any first corner incident at Spa is going to be a pile up and it isn't the first time. About 10 years ago one accident managed to take out half the field or there abouts if I recall. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 10 2012, 02:39 AM Post #5 |
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There you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEya_e6ympc OK it was wet |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 10 2012, 02:43 AM Post #6 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Belgian_Grand_Prix Not only did Couthard take out 13 drivers at the start of the race, he went on to take out race leader Michael Schumacher. Not a penalty in site. |
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| Norbert | Oct 10 2012, 10:55 AM Post #7 |
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The problem is that any driver can had an accident on the first lap. Yes, he's had 7 (I think one was on the second lap) however several of those were at best 50/50, and quite possibly less his fault than other drivers. If any other driver had collided with Webber in that manner, would we be saying anything other than, well, there was lots going on, and he concentrated on avoiding the wrong car? We would not. Did anyone suggest Alonso should be investigated after his close encounter ended up with Kimi on the grass and himself with a puncture which caused him to spin and narrowly avoid causing a pile-up? Not that I am aware. Did Hamilton or Massa get bans, huge penalties for the next race or the like when they spent half of a season colliding? No. It's a bit like when all the drivers go together to get Riccardo Patrese banned for allegedly causing the Monza pileup which lead to the death of Ronnie Peterson. |
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| everythingoes | Oct 10 2012, 11:28 AM Post #8 |
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This does seem increasingly like a witch-hunt with Grosjean the target. Webber started it with his 'first-lap-nut-case' comment and everybody jumped on the bandwagon. Webber happily goes around calling other drivers names that could just as easily apply to him at different times. But, he makes for a good copy, so hey what the hell, lets all jump on the other guy. Thats not to say that Grosjean is blameless for all the incidents, he isn't. But he also isn't so guilty as to be thrown out of the sport, as some are suggesting. iirc, over the season, Bruno Senna has been involved in as many incidents, or at least close to that. But its ok, he's only colliding with other mid-field runners like Petrov, Vergne, etc. etc., nobody likes them anyway, so its all cool. Yeah, lets hang Grosjean. |
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| ELUSIVEJIM | Oct 10 2012, 11:31 AM Post #9 |
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Problem is he is a very fast driver. If he could just stop taking out other drivers at the start he would be in good shape. Thing is he is now driving trying not to hit other drivers but in doing so planting the seed of doubt in his mind and causing the crash. Lotus must be getting fed up of the amount of parts its costing them at most races. His accident into Webber was shocking as he had time to react and still hit him. I do feel if Jérôme d’Ambrosio had performed better that Grosjean could have lost his seat. Grojean has the Lotus driver for 2013 but for how long as Lotus will have to seriously look at his position if this continues. I personally would make him start at the back of the grid for a few races as punishment. Then he will not take out Championship contenders. IMO the FIA should have a points system like we do on the roads and the amount of points you receive during the year will result in a ban for serious offenders. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 10 2012, 11:31 AM Post #10 |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 10 2012, 11:34 AM Post #11 |
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Interesting point, but I also feel that drivers should be punished for each offence AND accrue points. You could imagine a driver thinking that he had scope for causing an accident without being penalised there and then in that case. As if to say he can cause x number of incidents and get away with it before being punished. |
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| ELUSIVEJIM | Oct 10 2012, 11:35 AM Post #12 |
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BTW Jackie Stewart is again wanting to mentor Grojean. Dear God Jackie everyone knows what Grojean needs to do with you getting involved. |
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| Norbert | Oct 10 2012, 11:36 AM Post #13 |
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Just think, if points for reprimands meant prizes, a couple of years ago Lewis would have had the whole top shelf... lol |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 10 2012, 11:37 AM Post #14 |
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I saw that, he probably wants someone to beat on his playstation so that he can feel like a champion again. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 10 2012, 11:37 AM Post #15 |
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I am sure Ron would have put them on HIS top shelf |
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