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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 5 2012, 04:29 PM (1,259 Views) | |
| Pasta | Oct 5 2012, 04:29 PM Post #1 |
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At last. What a waste of taxpayers money for over the top due process. From the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19842941 Just look at the photo of this radical cleric. Not only do nutters like this want to take us back to the dark ages, they cost us so much money to protect their rights. A terrorist and murderer no doubt, yet we have to spend your money and mine to protect these frigging nutters' rights. Religious excesses have been a problem since the notion of gods were first invented. More harm than for any other reason. Number one enemy in the world today is Islam. Number two Catholicism. Islam wins by a country mile. |
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| John | Oct 5 2012, 04:59 PM Post #2 |
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| ELUSIVEJIM | Oct 5 2012, 07:08 PM Post #3 |
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All wars are due to RELIGION. |
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| John | Oct 5 2012, 07:22 PM Post #4 |
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| Steelstallions | Oct 5 2012, 10:14 PM Post #5 |
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Never thought those Irish coffee mornings after mass i have been to were really a bedrock of terrorism, instead of fund raising for the Christmas flowers and decorations of the church. Next time I go, I will try and not be recruited for some terrorist act. WTF Pasta? |
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| Pasta | Oct 6 2012, 07:57 AM Post #6 |
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I thought I might provoke some reaction from a Catholic here or there. Steel: You took my statement a little too narrowly. Your church has a bank and political tentacles and agendas far beyond fund raisers. I understand that many good things are done under the auspices of organized religion. I had the pleasure to meet over the internet forum another member who is about to travel to visit one of the children he and his wife are supporting overseas due to a Christian based charity program they are part of. George Foreman: "I believe in God, I just don't believe in religion." Good deeds done by people of religious faith are done by good people who value the principles of their faith, as originated from a seed or two (e.g. Jesus and Mohammed). The thing is the good deeds are done by good people, not their religion. If we trace the origins of religion way past 2000 years, we can see how political and devious religion has been and continues to be. Catholicism is about control and money and power under the guise of Christianity. The whole notion of one person - be that a pope or a prophet - being the sole communicator with a god is simply ridiculous. Before approaching the evils or damages done, let me say the problem with all religion is that no religion tolerates questionning. The strength of our human race is our ability to question and probe and learn and think. Our weakness is to be constrained by rules and prohibitions. The abuse of the teachings of Christ by churches is horrible. Look this way not that. I say to all organized religions this: Open yourself to inspection. Prove everything you say. You (Islam and Catholicism) control more than 1.5 billion people each. Prove yourself. And what about your rules? They must evolve and no longer be static and based on the circumstances and knowledge of 2,000 years ago. As we become smarter and learn more, we find that there are some bases for a supernatural. So much we are just scratching the surface of. There is even new science that has demonstrated how one can generate visions of spirits in the minds of people. I don't have all the answers. No one does. So we need to ask questions and scientifically seek the truth. We don't need to be stuck in the dogma of old books. The main thing is that religion today and in fact over the centuries has less to do with the spirits of the messages or thoughts, and more to do with how politicians (popes, bishops, cardinals, imams, rabbis etc.) can use the religions for their political and socialogical purposes. Catholics today might disagree. "Our church is good and what have we done wrong recently?" Fair point. But look back over the centuries. The wars. The genocide. The brutal suppression of knowledge and disagreement. Please read the play The Balcony by Jean Benet The massive drain to get the Catholic church to agree to promote the use of condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies and spread of disease is incomprehensible. And why does the church drag its feet on this and any other common sense issues? It is written! And God said go forth and multiply. And then a bunch of individuals warped by their confinement to the study of religion at the expense of all other knowledge said "That means don't use birth control". Galileo was put under house arrest for mocking the Pope, because the Pope didn't want any disagreement that the sun revolved around the earth. The pope then as with the church today fights like crazy to deny and denounce scientific evidence that contradicts their stances. I am not even going to touch the Vatican bank and the war crimes prospectively committed by the Vatican during wars. I am not going to mention burning witches at the stake. Today the Catholic church is constrained in what it can do to spread harm, but for sure it is not a source of contribution to the furtherment of society. Some of its people are making good contributions but that is despite the church, not because of it. Islam - Muslims make Catholics look like rocket scientists. More on that later. |
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| John | Oct 6 2012, 09:30 AM Post #7 |
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The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive paralysis. I find views expressed here to be just as extremist as those they scon... two side of one coin. |
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| Pasta | Oct 6 2012, 09:58 AM Post #8 |
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OK John. How so? So far you have presented only this: How easy is it to present a brush off. In contrast.... How are my views considered extemist? My main point is that we need to question. Learn. Study and don't simply accept primitive views. My points include that there have been abuses of religion. What the hell do you mean by fear of mad dog results in suggestive paralysis? That is gibberish. How on earth are my views extremist? I mean really. I don't mind the dialogue mate. If, however, you are a blindly "religious" person who does not tolerate criticism.... You are not presenting any meaningfull discussion. Disagree in whole or in part, but justify. Don't make cavalier comments. You just proved my point. |
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| Steelstallions | Oct 6 2012, 10:05 AM Post #9 |
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Pasta, reaction is what you live for on this forum, which is fine as you know when you have pissed people off and later say so. You haven't pissed me off, but I just wanted to clarify something. Whatever title you profess to label yourself under, no doubt even yourself could link that label to something unsavory and no doubt sinister in the past or present. Its then a matter of choice to assume that just because you come under that label you must be a part of the worst that label has to offer. The same can be said now you have labeled me a "provoked Catholic". Your assumption is that the Billion people who are Catholics are some kind of clone army who think, act and conduct themselves exactly the same and are not offended by the worst episodes of the religion or question all that is the church. For example the priests who violated children and those that covered it up should have been hanged, as should all pedophiles. That's my point of view shared by many, the rest would sooner they rot in jail. No religion or reasoned argument will change that. I cannot care less if a person is gay, you either have something in common and share a friendship or like anyone else, you might have nothing in common and may even dislike them. The reality being you would have liked or disliked them whatever their sexuality. As for contraception, if a billion of us didn't use contraception, there would be 300 million more Catholics every 9 months. Its a billion people who decide which part of the religion they have in common, you can be a Catholic and live your life like a monk, or you can be a Catholic and live your life only ever going to church for weddings and funerals, both have something in common, the mystery of faith is something that transcends and surpasses history. Maybe that's not the same for other faiths, but that's for them to deal with. |
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| Pasta | Oct 7 2012, 12:14 PM Post #10 |
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Not bad Steel. I don't think I live for reaction though I suppose I like a debate. For sure I do not look for the evil in everything. It is typically my nature to see more the good than the bad. Just so you know, I would classify myself as a Christian. I believe our energy or spirits or souls never die. I just don't believe in superstitions or rituals. I think only idiots believe that it is against their religion to eat a certain kind of meat. I believe only idiots believe that God told men to wear hats or women to wear scarves as part of their religion. We did, after all, come into this world naked. I think only idiots would believe that a simple meteorite was uniquely a gift from a god and must be touched once in your lifetime and if you can't touch it you must look at it everytime you circle an ediface. I don't like to be told what it means to be spiritual - what I can or cannot do. Unfortunately there are too many decrees in organized religion. And there are too many biases against the non-believers. There are too many abuses of organized religion and as long as organized religion is political, organized religion will be abused. Thankfully not every Catholic is a drone. Or similarly every Muslim. The reality is the Church still officially says it is against the will of God to use condoms or other forms of birth control. I see the effects of this in the Philippines where the Church over rules common sense. Mankind does not need any religion to govern itself. Just free thought, thoughtfulness and self-responsibility. All of which are contrary to organized religion. |
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| Norbert | Oct 8 2012, 11:43 AM Post #11 |
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What do Jimmy Savile and the Catholic Church have in common? Probably more than will ever be proved, but we all know what....
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| John | Oct 8 2012, 12:41 PM Post #12 |
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| pedal power | Oct 8 2012, 01:03 PM Post #13 |
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errm - jews, muslims and hindu's wouldnt think themsleves as idiots. |
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| Norbert | Oct 8 2012, 01:58 PM Post #14 |
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What people eat or drink is entirely up to their own choice. What religion and/or religious or moral instructions people choose to follow is entirely up to them as well. While in my personal opinion I find it a little odd that people would choose not to eat meat nor drink alcohol because their religion states that they must not, it is up to them. Making such a choice does not make one an idiot. Thinking that people are idiots for following their beliefs, however, may just qualify the accuser as one. If there is anything negative to be said about the situation, it is that the accused 'idiots' have simply chosen to do as their religion instructs that they must, rather than form their own opinion on the 'evils' or meat and alcohol. However, that is again their own choice and they are not being forced to do so. I am sure that they won't be struck by lightning if they don't..... |
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| everythingoes | Oct 9 2012, 06:27 AM Post #15 |
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No, but they also all eat pasta
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