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| Michael Schumacher gets 10-place penalty; comment stolen from the BBC | |
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| mikemagic | Oct 3 2012, 12:36 PM Post #31 |
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Hill was no where near as bad as many people say. He produced many decent drives but that is what they were, decent drives. I think 1994 affected Hill quite badly. With Senna's death, allegations of Schumacher/Benneton bending the rules and the outcome of Adalaide it seemed to put Hill all over the place in 1995. That said, in 1996 he got the job done, regardless of the quality of his car he did what he needed to and wrote his name into F1 history. He had some good drives at Arrows and Jordan too but by the end his motivation had gone. With Schumacher, it's sad to see his demise now. Maybe it has shown us all that without the best equipment and a team completly built around him his true level of ability has been clearer. Perhaps the gap in talent between Schumacher and the rest was never that big after all...(Said Rubens) |
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| Norbert | Oct 3 2012, 02:22 PM Post #32 |
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Hill failed to beat Schumacher to the title despite the latter being disqualified from the results of two races, and being excluded from competing in two more. In effect, Schumacher only competed in 75% of the races yet still won the title. You can argue that the Benetton was highly suspected of having traction control that year, of course... I wouldn't say Hill was a BAD driver in the sense that he was crap, he was just very average and was fortunate to be in the right team at the right time for a short period. |
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| John | Oct 4 2012, 10:46 AM Post #33 |
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Damon Hill like many Champions was good but maybe not great. He was more than capable of winning and I would say that events rather than talant prevented him for achieving more than he did. Schumachers penalty is moot now that he has announced his retirement, shame as it is one of his favorite races. |
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| mikemagic | Oct 4 2012, 11:00 AM Post #34 |
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Hill did suffer far more unreliability and bad luck in the Williams in 1994 however especially at the start of the season. There is obviously no question which driver was the more talented but I do think that Hill gets a rough ride now and then. |
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| ELUSIVEJIM | Oct 4 2012, 11:28 AM Post #35 |
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IMO Hill only won the Championship in 1996 because Senna died at Imola in 1994. Had the accident never happened then Senna would have won a few more Championships and Hill would have moved teams or been a good no2 driver. Yes this is all wild ideas and no one will ever know but this is my thought on Hill. The accident at the end of the 1994 season has been talked about by fans for a very long time but again Hill hit Schumacher more in racing situations but this is forgotten about. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 4 2012, 12:52 PM Post #36 |
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lol not when it REALLY counted though Hill did it because he made mistakes, only the truly talented drivers know when to make it look like an accident.
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| John | Oct 4 2012, 01:37 PM Post #37 |
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Damon got his own back in Monaco 2010...
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| Norbert | Oct 4 2012, 01:56 PM Post #38 |
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Just proved he was a crap steward too.....
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| Norbert | Oct 4 2012, 02:09 PM Post #39 |
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Hill had one failure to finish due to a gearbox issue and one where he was involved in a collision at Monaco Schumacher had an engine failure in Germany. At the final race, they collided, both retiring. Schumacher was disqualified from two races, and banned from a further two. He had two second place finishes, and won every other event. Meanwhile, Hill placed first or second for most of the season, however was lapped at San Marino (given the circumstances surrounding the race that's not exactly something you could hold against him) and eight in Germany, failing to capitalise on Schumacher's failure to score. Ultimately, despite all but two finishes being first or second, the two poor finishes cost him the title against a driver who only effectively competed in 75% of the season. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 4 2012, 08:44 PM Post #40 |
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I think the key differencential between Hill and Schumacher during those eras was that while Hill was a good driver in a great car, he probably never really had the support of the team who were just waiting for someone better to come along or be available and Schumacher basically had the Formula One equivalent to Ocean's 11 whose only goal in life was to make Schumacher champion. It was only when Hill formed his own management team (something that did not go down well in the Williams garage apparenly) so that Hill could focus on the driving 'with support' that he put together a decent enough season to take the title. Just to go back to my original point, Schumacher lived and breathed motorsport while Hill was delivering packages around London for his day job. Hill always had a 'hill' to climb against that kind of legacy, so not really that bad when you put it into perspective. |
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| Red Andy | Oct 4 2012, 10:18 PM Post #41 |
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All fair enough, though I'd add that in Germany he lost nearly two laps after being involved in the first lap collision that wiped out ten cars. Williams took ages to service Coulthard in the pits before moving onto Hill, who had followed him in. After that Hill was never really in contention, which is why he failed even to get into the points despite the high attrition rate in the race. |
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| mikemagic | Oct 5 2012, 08:46 AM Post #42 |
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I'm sure Hill had Hakkinen swipe accross him at Monaco with Mika ending up in the barrier and Hill with broken suspension. I might be thinking of a different year though. Without doubt Schumacher usually beat Hill in 1994 when they were on the track at the same time but whether Schumacher's car was 'legit' is another matter. |
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| John | Oct 5 2012, 10:51 AM Post #43 |
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It was deemed 'legit' by the FIA and the results stand.... so conjecture changes nothing... The 1994 Williams was illegal also but went undetected by the FIA, naturally I have no proof of this but on TPL that is never a major concern is it. |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Oct 5 2012, 01:30 PM Post #44 |
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Obviously it wasn't illegal enough |
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| Pasta | Oct 5 2012, 04:48 PM Post #45 |
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Did Michael get a ten place penalty??
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Hill did it because he made mistakes, only the truly talented drivers know when to make it look like an accident.

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