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Michael Schumacher gets 10-place penalty; comment stolen from the BBC
Topic Started: Sep 24 2012, 12:58 AM (1,232 Views)
TheCompleteGuitarist
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Tulip tinted glasses, infact I read somewhere that the harshness of the penalty was due to accrued incidents.

MS should stick to passing in the pitlane. Is it just a coincidence or has MS career faded since they removed fuel stops?
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Yes, but the other of the 'accrued accidents' which makes it sound like he crashes as often as Grosjean was already penalised, so in effect he is being punished twice for the first one. Surely that's not right for any driver unless they have had a lot of punishable offences? Perhaps a third crash would warrant a more substantial penalty, but surely not a second one that was four months after the first?
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Well, I didn't give the penalty so I couldn't say really. I doubt they should let them stack up and then give a harsh penalty. Just judge each incident as it comes.
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But if they judge each one 'as it comes', why dwell on previous?
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Norbert,Sep 26 2012
08:57 PM
But if they judge each one 'as it comes', why dwell on previous?

I am agreeing, I don't get why they did that either. Seems pointless.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Sep 25 2012
05:48 PM
Tulip tinted glasses, infact I read somewhere that the harshness of the penalty was due to accrued incidents.

MS should stick to passing in the pitlane. Is it just a coincidence or has MS career faded since they removed fuel stops?

Or the fact that he returned at 40 after a 3 year layoff.
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Rob,Sep 27 2012
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Sep 25 2012
05:48 PM
Tulip tinted glasses, infact I read somewhere that the harshness of the penalty was due to accrued incidents.

MS should stick to passing in the pitlane. Is it just a coincidence or has MS career faded since they removed fuel stops?

Or the fact that he returned at 40 after a 3 year layoff.

but his form dipped when fuel stops were banned, not necessarily when he reentered the sport
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Sep 26 2012
12:48 AM
Tulip tinted glasses, infact I read somewhere that the harshness of the penalty was due to accrued incidents.

MS should stick to passing in the pitlane. Is it just a coincidence or has MS career faded since they removed fuel stops?

Good point on the fuel stops. If he hasn't faded, then you'd expect his qualifying performance to be up there fairly consistently, but its not there really.

Then again, perhaps the mercs aren't as quick in comparison to the rest of the field as the Ferraris were..
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Plus didn't the lack of refuelling coincide more or less with changes in the tyre regs pretty much ending the supply of rubber custom tailored to a specific team or teams?
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Norbert,Oct 1 2012
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Plus didn't the lack of refuelling coincide more or less with changes in the tyre regs pretty much ending the supply of rubber custom tailored to a specific team or teams?

you could be right.
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There were many rule 'tweaks' made to end the unprecedented run.. of success Ferrari & Schumacher were having so it was no wonder his success rate dropped off... yet even despite the tilting of the playing field againt the Scuderia they managed to fight back and anyone who believes Schumacher was not capable of a WDC title in 2006 is frankly deluding themselves... He was ready for a break so despite the feeling that he could have been champ in 2007 given how McLaren practically handed it to Kimi.

His retirement/sebattical may have been a misjudged decision (by his own admission) but If he was ready for a break then he would not have been the same driver anyway and while I have enjoyed having Schumacher back in F1 his lack of success after 3 years out of F1 and another 3 years trying to recapture some of the old majic I would say his actual/final retirement is about due.

For personal reasons I'd like to see him do another year, but whatever he does decide I am greatful for the last 20 years.
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John,Oct 1 2012
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There were many rule 'tweaks' made to end the unprecedented run.. of success Ferrari & Schumacher were having so it was no wonder his success rate dropped off...

There is no denying that many of them were aimed at ending the dominance of one team and one man for sure.

To say that MS won through strategy tyres and fuel stops is no disrespect. All I am suggesting was that he had the rug pulled from under his feet.

I don't think MS was ever the fastest F1 racer, he was the most all round. and this is why I don't believe Hamilton has that greatness in him. He's just simply very fast and it's not enough.
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I concur with that assesment.
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Maybe not the ultimate fastest, but I would suggest probably the most consistent, and consistently the fastest of his era the first time around.

To win the WDC, you need a decent car, and the opposition to be close to each other, or just in cars miles slower than yours. Ask Damon Hill....
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Norbert,Oct 1 2012
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Maybe not the ultimate fastest, but I would suggest probably the most consistent, and consistently the fastest of his era the first time around.

To win the WDC, you need a decent car, and the opposition to be close to each other, or just in cars miles slower than yours. Ask Damon Hill....

While I know it's fun to have a pop at Damon every now and again I am under the impression that he quite impressed the Brabham team and thus secured his entry into F1, and rather than spend his youth screaming around a Kart track 24/7 Damon was scraping a living as a cylce courier around London I believe.

So all in all, he couldn't have been that bad.
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