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British GP Raceday Thread
Topic Started: Jul 10 2011, 11:01 AM (2,044 Views)
John
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I would'nt go that far but his admission should burst a few bubbles.
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safc_fan89,Jul 10 2011
05:46 PM
It's not exactly rare for a team to tell their drivers to hold station. It happened all the time after the final stop when we had refuelling.

Yes it's called a TEAM ORDER and the TEAM ORDER was made by RB as RB feared seeing their drivers collide or maybe even Webber beating Vettel.

I would have given the same order, but then I am not Christian Horner, the man who derides Ferrari for having TEAM ORDER's and proudly shows his Halo for never ever ever giving TEAM ORDER's as in his words: -

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Horner said Red Bull would not have done the same.

"No, we let our drivers race," he said. "Massa's still in this championship, or maybe he's signed a contract that says he's a number two driver, but I think that it's wrong for the sport. The drivers should've been allowed to race.


A blatant Ferrari/Mclaren bashing hypocrite with Newey not far behind.
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world of difference whe we are talking last 3 laps and holding station will net 33 points and keep the team ahead in both championships and it's drivers 1-2 in the standings...

As Horner said Mark was on pole and finished up 3rd and not because that was the teams intention from the start... has Webber signed a contract for 2012...

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John,Jul 10 2011
07:56 PM
world of difference whe we are talking last 3 laps and holding station will net 33 points and keep the team ahead in both championships and it's drivers 1-2 in the standings...

25 + 18 = 43, not 33, John. :)
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Lord Tau,Jul 10 2011
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John,Jul 10 2011
07:56 PM
world of difference whe we are talking last 3 laps and holding station will net 33 points and keep the team ahead in both championships and it's drivers 1-2 in the standings...

25 + 18 = 43, not 33, John. :)

errrr,

25 + 18 = 43

And believe it or not

18 + 25 = 43

would have worked the same both ways. No stations needed to have been held.
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John,Jul 10 2011
06:56 PM
world of difference whe we are talking last 3 laps and holding station will net 33 points and keep the team ahead in both championships and it's drivers 1-2 in the standings...

The only world of difference is that you now have Vettel tinted specs these days.

Was the radio transmission we heard from Red Bull?

Then it was a team order and that makes Horner an enormous hypocrite.

He called off the race between his drivers for second place. I would have done the same but I have never disagreed with team orders, he made out his team was above team orders, today he again proved it isn't.

No if's and no but's, no point saying other orders by other teams at other races were different.



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There is really is no point in talking with you at times.. <hitwall>

I can add up thank you but just for the record it was a typo <thumbsup>

The point was NOT that the team would have had the same points haul regardless of which driver came 2nd and 3rd... (as you well know, but are being too obstreperous as usual to care)

It was that those 43 points were in the bag... but without a win if the offing it was too much of a risk for the team to have it's drvers race that hard in the final laps...

I know you to be too intellegent not to get this very simple permise... sadly I also know you to be too blinkered in you constant rantings with regards to Vettel and RBR.



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TheCompleteGuitarist
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Not sure if any of those last comments were directed at me.

IMO, Horner is a hypocrite, Webber is probably not going to maintain a place at RBR if he continues like that but I am glad he had a go. It's a bit refreshing at least.

We've seen Lewis hunt down Button in the dying embers of the race too.

I don't care about team orders, but I still have a right to judge Horner or at least the team on their integrity over this issue if I please.

I was also surprised (or was I, I'm not sure) that the only team to benefit from the recent rule "tweaks" was Ferrari.

Although Mclaren went backwards, they still easily beat the rest of the competition.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Jul 10 2011
08:47 PM
Lord Tau,Jul 10 2011
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John,Jul 10 2011
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world of difference whe we are talking last 3 laps and holding station will net 33 points and keep the team ahead in both championships and it's drivers 1-2 in the standings...

25 + 18 = 43, not 33, John. :)

errrr,

25 + 18 = 43

And believe it or not

18 + 25 = 43

would have worked the same both ways. No stations needed to have been held.

I know the order would not have mattered, due to the associative property of the addition function.

I was simply correcting the mathematical typo in John's post.
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and i was implying that the points haul would have been the same regardless of which driver ended up infront of which driver
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Interesting article from James regarding the team orders. The whole article needs to be read and I don't think he is unduly biased, but objective.

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He should be allowed to race, because the downside of acting as Red Bull have done here is that they diminish his achievement by making it look manipulated and have needlessly undermined a set of values that they worked hard and took huge risks last season to establish.


I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation. It's like having Rubens pull over for a Michael and Massa pull over for Alonso when the win should be on merit.

Of course both MS and FA are/were better than there team mates, but that is no reason to have position gifted to you.
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Lord Tau,Jul 10 2011
10:27 PM
I know the order would not have mattered, due to the associative property of the addition function.

Isn't it the COMMUTATIVE property of addition, LT?
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PiquetFan,Jul 11 2011
05:09 PM
Lord Tau,Jul 10 2011
10:27 PM
I know the order would not have mattered, due to the associative property of the addition function.

Isn't it the COMMUTATIVE property of addition, LT?

I always get those two mixed up. I knew I'd get the wrong one!
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Great weekend at Silverstone as usual, got very wet, very sunburnt and very drunk. loved every minute. The Wing is a work of art. Managed to get a spot at Vale/Club after a 5am start. Superb atmosphere. <thumbsup>
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