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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 27 2011, 07:23 PM (793 Views) | |
| Rob | Jun 27 2011, 07:23 PM Post #1 |
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So yesterday the commentators were saying Vettel has had the best start to the season in F1 history. He's on pace to break Shumi's wins in a season record. The points in a season will obviously fall, but I think once adjusted it will also be a record. Vettel is already half way to breaking the record for most poles in a season. Unless the diffuser change REALLY hurts RBR, this could be the statistically most successful season ever for a single driver. Thoughts? |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Jun 27 2011, 08:11 PM Post #2 |
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Bound to happen sooner or later. The tech side of F1 was always going to allow this to happen. The more sophisticated it becomes the clever the designers are the more likely we are to see a driver or team dominate. |
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| John | Jun 27 2011, 10:01 PM Post #3 |
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When schumacher achieved 144 points out of a total 170 he had scored 84.71%, with 475 points possible this season Vettel would need to score 403 points to better Schumachers %... he is currently at 38.74% so has a bit of a way to go (but then again he has 93% of the points so far so maybe...) I was not awear of the similarities between Schumacher and Vettel career path in F1... from wiki: Comparison to Michael Schumacher Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship. After winning his first championship in 2010 Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for this season... I guess anything is possible Schumacher was on the podium in 19 consecutive races, but Vettel would have to finish 10 more races on the podium to beat that record |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Jun 28 2011, 01:03 AM Post #4 |
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An RBR sponsored Newey designed car? |
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| John | Jun 28 2011, 07:55 AM Post #5 |
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Everyone is entitled to their view and you certainly have yours, however few people would class the 2008 STR as being a GP winner despite the Newey connection. For me (perdictably maybe) it was the rookie Vettel that made the difference in that car scoring STR's only pole and GP win to date... even Sébastien Bourdais a multiple champion could only manage two 7th places all season. When you look back at F1... STR were the only recent 'first time' winners not to score a 1-2 (Jordan, BMW-Sauber, Brawn) which kinda proves the STR on paper should never have won that race... The rain helped of course ![]() <edit> I forgot to add Reb Bulls first win was also a 1-2 and that was also Vettel
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Jun 28 2011, 11:40 AM Post #6 |
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| John | Jun 28 2011, 12:00 PM Post #7 |
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Indeed... That is another car that should never have won a GP and again both the driver and the rain made it happen.
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Jun 28 2011, 04:31 PM Post #8 |
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And when the driver of that car finally made it into a car capable of winning races, it wasn't a 1 - 2 for the team if you understand my meaning. |
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| Lord Tau | Jun 28 2011, 05:39 PM Post #9 |
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I decided to play around with some F1 stats, and do a little bit of Formula One sabermetrics. I devised a stat called "Success Rate". This is a value between 0 and 1 where 0 means the driver didn't score any points, while 1 means the driver won all the races in a season. In order to compare all the drivers, I took each championship winning driver's results over their winning season, and applied the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 points system to it. Then, I divided this points total by the number of points available, had that driver won all the races. In essence, this boils down to 10 * the number of races in that season. This formula was applied to all the championships, plus Vettel's progress so far this season, and the results are shown below 1 Sebastian Vettel (2011)__________________________________________.950 2 Michael Schumacher (2002)________________________________________.918 3 Jim Clark (1963) ________________________________________________.850 4 Michael Schumacher (2004)________________________________________.822 5 Michael Schumacher (2001)________________________________________.794 6 Juan-Manuel Fangio (1954)________________________________________.789 7 Alberto Ascari (1952)____________________________________________.750 8 Fernando Alonso (2006)___________________________________________.744 9 Ayrton Senna (1991)______________________________________________.731 10 Nigel Mansell (1992)____________________________________________.713 11 Graham Hill (1962)______________________________________________.711 12= Juan-Manuel Fangio (1957)______________________________________.700 12= Ayrton Senna (1988)____________________________________________.700 12= Fernando Alonso (2005)_________________________________________.700 15 Alain Prost (1993)______________________________________________.694 16 Mika Hakkinen (1998)____________________________________________.688 17 Juan-Manuel Fangio (1955)_______________________________________.686 18 Michael Schumacher (2000)_______________________________________.682 19 Jackie Stewart (1969)___________________________________________.664 20 Damon Hill (1996)_______________________________________________.656 21 Jackie Stewart (1971)___________________________________________.655 22 Kimi Raikkonen (2007)___________________________________________.647 23 Alain Prost (1989)______________________________________________.644 24 Juan-Manuel Fangio (1956)_______________________________________.638 25 Michael Schumacher (1995)_______________________________________.635 26 Alberto Ascari (1953)___________________________________________.622 27 Alan Jones (1980)_______________________________________________.614 28 Denny Hulme (1967)______________________________________________.609 29 Niki Lauda (1975)_______________________________________________.607 30 Nelson Piquet (1987)____________________________________________.606 31= Phil Hill (1961)_______________________________________________.600 31= Jim Clark (1965)_______________________________________________.600 31= Emerson Fittipaldi (1972)______________________________________.600 31= Jackie Stewart (1973)__________________________________________.600 31= Alain Prost (1986)_____________________________________________.600 31= Michael Schumacher (1994)______________________________________.600 37 Alain Prost (1985)______________________________________________.594 38 Jack Brabham (1966)_____________________________________________.589 39= Jenson Button (2009)___________________________________________.588 39= Ayrton Senna (1990)____________________________________________.588 41 Michael Schumacher (2003)_______________________________________.581 42 Juan-Manuel Fangio (1956)_______________________________________.575 43 Jody Scheckter (1979)___________________________________________.553 44= Jack Brabham (1960)____________________________________________.550 44= Mika Hakkinen (1999)___________________________________________.550 46= Sebastian Vettel (2010)________________________________________.547 46= Niki Lauda (1977)______________________________________________.547 48 Mike Hawthorn (1958)____________________________________________.545 49= Lewis Hamilton (2008)__________________________________________.544 49= Niki Lauda (1984)______________________________________________.544 51 Jacques Villeneuve (1997)_______________________________________.524 52 James Hunt (1976)_______________________________________________.519 53 Nelson Piquet (1983)____________________________________________.507 54= Jack Brabham (1959)____________________________________________.500 54= John Surtees (1964)____________________________________________.500 56 Emerson Fittipaldi (1974)_______________________________________.493 57 Graham Hill (1968)______________________________________________.492 58 Mario Andretti (1978)___________________________________________.488 59 Nino Farina (1950)______________________________________________.463 60 Nelson Piquet (1981)____________________________________________.447 61 Keke Rosberg (1982)_____________________________________________.400 62 Jochen Rindt (1970)_____________________________________________.357 As you can see, Vettel's progress so far puts him at the top of the table. What do you think? [size0]Another set of useless facts brought to you by Lord Tau - purveyors of random F1 stats since 2007! |
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| TheCompleteGuitarist | Jun 28 2011, 05:47 PM Post #10 |
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What I think is that Vettel is at the top of a table for a result that he has not yet even earned. At this time in the season during Button's title year he would have been much higher up the table also. However I suspect that Vettel will still be at the top of this table come the end of the year due to the dominance of the car unless he decides to take the rest of the season off once he's bagged the title. |
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| Red Andy | Jun 28 2011, 06:06 PM Post #11 |
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True, but Bourdais qualified fourth for that race and had an electrical problem on his car on the grid. Because the race started under the safety car, he went a lap down and was never in contention after that. However, his pace during the race suggested he could well have been on the podium had he not lost that lap. So it could have been a 1-2. Of course, it wasn't, which I suppose is the important thing. |
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| John | Jun 28 2011, 06:39 PM Post #12 |
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Actually you have a point... it is important to remember all the facts, I had high hopes for Sébastien Bourdais when he came to F1 such a shame it was with STR and not RBR. |
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| Lord Tau | Jun 28 2011, 06:58 PM Post #13 |
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This is true. I added him in for comparison's sake.
Again, true. After 8 races in the 2009 season, Button had a Success Rate of .863, putting him at what would have been 2nd place at the time. As you can see, he ended up finishing joint 39th. |
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| Rob | Jun 28 2011, 07:03 PM Post #14 |
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I think you are the man.
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| John | Jun 29 2011, 07:15 PM Post #15 |
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Sunday was Vettel's 69th race in F1. 16 wins 22 poles 6 FLs 27 podiums 1 championship Schumacher after 69 races: 19 wins 10 poles 21 FL's 38 podiums 2 championships
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