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It's Raining!!!; In Canada
Topic Started: Jun 12 2011, 04:43 PM (3,337 Views)
TheCompleteGuitarist
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PiquetFan,Jun 13 2011
06:20 AM
From the Torygraph:

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BBC pundit and Daily Telegraph columnist David Coulthard did not see it that way, however, saying: “If that’s Lewis’s idea of halfway I wouldn’t want to share my chocolate bar with him.”

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Of all the crap Lewis had done, to complain about this race is silly. The incident w/ Webber IMO was a racing incident, the crash w/ Button I feel was Button's fault more than Lewis. I think Lewis is clear for this weekend.
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Rob,Jun 13 2011
03:31 PM
Of all the crap Lewis had done, to complain about this race is silly. The incident w/ Webber IMO was a racing incident, the crash w/ Button I feel was Button's fault more than Lewis. I think Lewis is clear for this weekend.

Niki Lauda and I could not disagree more.
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Brave_Lee_Flea,Jun 13 2011
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Rob,Jun 13 2011
03:31 PM
Of all the crap Lewis had done, to complain about this race is silly. The incident w/ Webber IMO was a racing incident, the crash w/ Button I feel was Button's fault more than Lewis. I think Lewis is clear for this weekend.

Niki Lauda and I could not disagree more.

Then you are not putting in enough effort damnit! :D

I'm willing to accept a difference of opinion, for Canada I don't think Lewis' driving was as bad as it was in Monaco.
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Ferrari had their best qualifying of the year.
They must be pondering what happened... <think>
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P-One,Jun 13 2011
06:40 PM
Ferrari had their best qualifying of the year.
They must be pondering what happened... <think>

driver error, poor strategy calls, poor pitstops.

I don't think they need to ponder.

It's all in a weekends work for most teams.

They'll come good under different conditions.
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P-One,Jun 13 2011
08:40 PM
Ferrari had their best qualifying of the year.
They must be pondering what happened... <think>

They should have got Nando to let Felipe through in the opening laps. I know it's an unlikely strategy, but FM appeared much quicker at that point and could (would) have put Seb under pressure.
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Rob,Jun 13 2011
07:48 PM
I'm willing to accept a difference of opinion, for Canada I don't think Lewis' driving was as bad as it was in Monaco.

Thing is Rob, it's part of a familiar pattern for Ham at present. Careless certainly, and accusations of arrogance appear to have some foundation

An interesting view from James Allen on his blog, where he talks about an insider making a comment about Ham being caught up in an entourage that is spoiling his focus on driving.
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Lewis is young enough to be a bit wild and still calm down and win a lot... I have seen reports he was speaking with RBR in Canada, maybe nothing or maybe sounding out a switch in 2013
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PiquetFan,Jun 13 2011
02:01 PM
Rob,Jun 13 2011
07:48 PM
I'm willing to accept a difference of opinion, for Canada I don't think Lewis' driving was as bad as it was in Monaco.

Thing is Rob, it's part of a familiar pattern for Ham at present. Careless certainly, and accusations of arrogance appear to have some foundation

An interesting view from James Allen on his blog, where he talks about an insider making a comment about Ham being caught up in an entourage that is spoiling his focus on driving.

I still think Lewis is an arrogant prat, it's only for this race I don't think he was the villain. I'm sure he'll be back to his old ways in Valencia.
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John,Jun 13 2011
02:12 PM
Lewis is young enough to be a bit wild and still calm down and win a lot... I have seen reports he was speaking with RBR in Canada, maybe nothing or maybe sounding out a switch in 2013

Doubt it. Why would he want to switch, he in the fastest car over a race distance. I mean if Button can catch both RBRs...
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PiquetFan,Jun 13 2011
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Rob,Jun 13 2011
07:48 PM
I'm willing to accept a difference of opinion, for Canada I don't think Lewis' driving was as bad as it was in Monaco.

Thing is Rob, it's part of a familiar pattern for Ham at present. Careless certainly, and accusations of arrogance appear to have some foundation

An interesting view from James Allen on his blog, where he talks about an insider making a comment about Ham being caught up in an entourage that is spoiling his focus on driving.

He's not having a good time at the moment but he isn't the first driver this has happened too.

Don't you all remember Schumi flinging his car around with gay abandon in the early 90's. He attacked Ayrton Senna on various occasions in France 92 and once again at South Africa 93. The majority of time Schumi ended up retired and Senna angry.

Even the best driver in the history of the sport made bad errors of judgement. Time to cut Hammy a bit of slack.
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Rob,Jun 13 2011
06:48 PM
I'm willing to accept a difference of opinion, for Canada I don't think Lewis' driving was as bad as it was in Monaco.

My initial reaction was to agree with Mr Lauda, that if Lewis doesn't calm down he is likely to end up seriously hurting or killing somebody. It's a numbers game and the more accidents you are involved in the more chance you have of that undesireable outcome.

However I have had a day or two to ruminate and I am more inclined to go along with this snippet from an article in the Telegraph;

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Lauda said after Hamilton's collision with his team-mate, Jenson Button, in Sunday's race: "What Hamilton did there goes beyond all boundaries. He is completely mad. You cannot drive like this – and it will result in someone getting killed."

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Stewart, like Lauda a three-times world champion, got closer to the truth when he said: "I think Niki was being a bit hard on Lewis but Niki is a man who should be listened too. To finish first you must finish and not be running into people all the time. He's having too many collisions with too many drivers. And he can't blame the stewards, because there is a different set at every race.

"I'm a great supporter of Lewis but I think he's hiding under blinkers at the moment. You can't keep going for gaps that don't exist. And if he's blaming the car and the team that's just unprofessional. No driver had the perfect car."


That said it is my opinion that Lewis, like Senna and Schumacher before him, basically tries to bully and intimidate his way throught the field. He'll put his car into a gap that isn't quite there and leave the other driver to choose between having to yield or having an accident.

I know it is hypocritical of me because I worshipped Senna but these days I don't think such behaviour is acceptable. F1 is a dangerous game and there is a strong chance that if Lewis doesn't moderate his behaviour that sooner or later somebody will get hurt.

I love to see wheel to wheel racing but I don't think that it is a price worth paying if somebody were to die for me to get my jollies.
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Brave_Lee_Flea,Jun 14 2011
11:40 AM
He'll put his car into a gap that isn't quite there and leave the other driver to choose between having to yield or having an accident.

This is something I never liked about Senna great as he was, and the only thing I disliked about Schumacher (that and the pitlane wins), but sometimes it's enough to really turn you against them. You start rooting for the guy with a little integrity.

As for Lewis on Sunday, I believe if Jenson had seen him, he would have let him pass. Jenson has caused few incidents through sheer stubborness unlike Alonso and Massa who basically do their utmost.

However, the way Lewis was driving, he'd have had a clash with someone else further up the field at somepoint, that was his third of the day and we've seen when drivers see red mist they get a little wreckless. Vettel in Spa had a similar day once he'd dispensed with Button.
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I just watched the highlights, having recorded them whilst I was in Singapore (thank goodness I didn't record the full programme otherwise I would have run out of Sky+ space. Also, glad I didn't stay up to watch the race, otherwise I would have been even more jetlagged!)

Anyway, I knew the results in advance, so it was quite interesting to see Jenson struggling and thinking to myself "how the heck does he win from there?"
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