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Lewis is not a happy bunny
Topic Started: May 29 2011, 04:11 PM (1,587 Views)
Norbert
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Rob,May 30 2011
05:50 AM
mrr9,May 29 2011
05:19 PM

They will make him the 2011 WDC, World Dipshit Champion.

Whinging Damn C***?

(can think of at least two un-PC words.... lol)
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Norbert
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Anyway, I thought his mum was white? So if you want to split hairs, he's mixed race and not actually black anyway!
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John
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That's what I said earlier however being black has more benifit as Lewis can make more money by being the first Black f1 driver, even if he is half white.
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He'd probably make more money if he stopped acting like a child.
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Rob,May 31 2011
08:24 PM
He'd probably make more money if he stopped acting like a child.

Er, remind again which F1 driver you're referring to?
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What does this mean C*** ? ?? ? ?

I'm not allowed to use the word balls meaning bravura, but this is permissible?

Doesn't matter that there are stars!!!! It's intent is unmistakeable.
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John
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I'm sure it's a typo and Norbert missed out another '*'...

I read that as Champ but he may have meant Chump... <think>
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John,Jun 1 2011
07:21 AM
I'm sure it's a typo and Norbert missed out another '*'...

I read that as Champ but he may have meant Chump... <think>

<thumbsup>

or maybe even Champ lol
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Nomad
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After giving this whole thing a great deal of thought, I've decided that Hamilton does not deserve to be in F1. He might be a great driver but he has shown great disrespect to the entire sport with his racial statement which I believe reveals his true feelings.

In my professional life I spent a large amount of time interviewing (interrogating if you like) many people and I learned quite early that statements or outbursts in moments of great anger or emotion usually reveal the subjects true feelings and beliefs. I believe that Hamilton truly believes that he deserves special favorable treatment because he is black and belongs to a group that have been discriminated against. That may be correct in a number of occupations or situations but has no place in a sport of skills and rules.

I think it is time for Hamilton to find himself another field of endeavor that will be more in keeping with his racial beliefs. That might result in an initial imbalance in the results this season but it would be better for F1 in the long run.
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TheCompleteGuitarist
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I am sorry but I have to disagree with Nomad. While I agree that Hamilton probably does harbour feelings about his racial status, I really don't think that he expects favourable treament as a result.

I'd also suggest that despite the fact that a lot of people on here are quick to remind us that Lewis is of mixed race and has a 'white' mother, he is not white. Nor is he black, which infact means that he is discriminated against by two ethnic groups.

Regardless of how little racism exist today compared to let's say the 70s, racism still does exist and people are still discriminated against and no doubt Lewis will have grown up with echoes of racism all around him one way or another.

I could site the racially incited murder of stephen lawrence. Killed for no other reason other than being black and who's murder was treated shabbily for a number of years by the police force highlighting racism within a state institute just to suggest that racism is healthy and thriving in our societies.

Hamilton is a young person like many f1 drivers with a huge amount of pressure and very little life experience to know when to say, and often do (even on track) the right thing. His punishment will surely be to live with the accusations (serious or not) that he made. I truly believe that the stewards recieved Hamilton's apology with grace as a fellow motor racer a fellow human and citizen regardless of his race and with full understanding of the kind of person he is and the world that we live in.

I think we should do the same.

I have no idea of your racial status Nomad, but I suspect that if you are a white middle class english american or european MALE or similar you will have very little idea of what it is to be discriminated against for nothing other than the colour of you skin and how heavy a burden this can be simply getting on in life.
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....despite the fact that ... that Lewis of mixed race and has a 'white' mother, he is not white. Nor is he black, which in fact means that he is discriminated against by two ethnic groups...


Really, I am now very interested to see you provide any example of this racial discrimination meted out to him in his career in Motorsport by either a governing body or an employer or a sponsor or media…

In fact I would request you provide two examples of this... one for each ethnic group you allege Lewis has been the subject of racism from.

If not, I would rather you publicly withdraw your allegations and we shall put your comments down to your over zealous support for Lewis.

This should be good….
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What allegations?
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Jun 1 2011
06:45 PM
I truly believe that the stewards recieved Hamilton's apology with grace

don't you mean those stewards accused of racism had been fingered by Lewis and had no choice to accept his apology or risk having the slur stick...

<think>
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Jun 1 2011
07:17 PM
What allegations?

You said... I'd also suggest that despite the fact that a lot of people on here are quick to remind us that Lewis is of mixed race and has a 'white' mother, he is not white. Nor is he black, which infact means that he is discriminated against by two ethnic groups.

If you suggest it.... prove it.
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John,Jun 1 2011
06:21 PM
TheCompleteGuitarist,Jun 1 2011
07:17 PM
What allegations?

You said... I'd also suggest that despite the fact that a lot of people on here are quick to remind us that Lewis is of mixed race and has a 'white' mother, he is not white. Nor is he black, which infact means that he is discriminated against by two ethnic groups.

If you suggest it.... prove it.

Well done John, well done for your humanity for your tolerance and understanding of the human condition.

I don't stand on the side of Lewis, I stand on the side of trying to understand, trying to listen, to be patient and tolerant of the differences between people. To try to understand where people come from and why they might act like they do. To try to listen before condemning and to understand how ignorance and lack of communication between people and peoples causes so much pain and damage and unnecessary conflict.

I did not suggest that Lewis had experienced any discrimination in the world of motorsport, expcept perhaps positive discrimination for the value of being the first black or of mixed race person to enter this elitist activity.

I did rather, refer to people in general. Lewis is one of them. And he is as likely as any mixed race person to experience discrimination outside of his fairy tale world of F1.

You don't know that and you cannot prove that Lewis has never been subject to racial discrimination in his life.

A lot of comments on this page seem to suggest that racism is something to be joked about or dismissed out of hand.

John, your comments and your lack of seriousness and lack of give and take and contribution to this forum are disappointing. You seem only to show up when god forbid someone should get a little pissed off at the dominance of your favourite drivers.

I don't know why you come here to be honest other than to try to belittle people. I'm sure there are better forums for doing that.
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