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Slow Hard Tire
Topic Started: May 20 2011, 04:21 PM (569 Views)
Rob
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So at least two drivers, Heidfeld and Kobayashi have come out and said the new hard tire is really slow. And Vettel seems happy w/ it. This could make for some boring strategies on Sunday. 3 stints on the softs, last to the hard. Could be a snorer.
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This will have a big impact in qualifying, i.e., all teams will need to use the soft tire in all sessions.
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And now Hamilton has joined the chorus and called it 'disastrous' Link Here
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Brave_Lee_Flea
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The tyre situation is a farce and has been ever since the single tyre supplier.
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Brave_Lee_Flea,May 21 2011
07:21 PM
The tyre situation is a farce and has been ever since the single tyre supplier.

Ever since they insisted that you had to use both hard and soft in a race
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I prefer the single tyre supplier situation as it creates a more level playing field.

I do not disagree that there are flaws but then what is ever perfect? (OK my smile but other than that...?) So far this year the results have been a vast improvement over previous years' and I suspect with a bit of tweaking they will continue to refine and improve the event.

I personally have no intention of complaining at the current lack of perfection. I am confident I could not do nearly as good a job myself, even if I knew what I was doing.
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It boils down to whether you want to see the playing field "levelled" (some would say artificially) in this way, or whether you're happy to see teams innovate as much as they can within the regulations to produce the best possible package, which would include tyres. I definitely place myself in the latter camp.
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I don't think the single tyre manufacturer is designed to level the playing field, I think it's designed to encourage creative thinking within a sporting limitation.

Just look at how Button and Hamilton deal with the tyre issue. Both use the tyres to their own strengths and have different races.
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Red Andy,May 23 2011
11:32 AM
It boils down to whether you want to see the playing field "levelled" (some would say artificially) in this way, or whether you're happy to see teams innovate as much as they can within the regulations to produce the best possible package, which would include tyres. I definitely place myself in the latter camp.

I don't get this "artificially levelling the playing field" stuff. I was going to say nonsense but held myself back because, after all, I am a nice and gentle who loves animals and such.

Innovation from the teams is great and part of the sport. But for the benefit of the sport does it really matter if we have different tyres?

What is, in fact, artificial and what do you really want from the sport?

Innovation
Technology
Driver skill
Tactics
Overtaking
Spectacle

Or all of the above and more in absolute perfection.

Give me a break. Why do people always have to complain so much.

This is a good year. Not as good as last year respecting competitiveness but that is simply because the Red Bulls are 1.375 light years ahead of their closest competitor.

The league, for lack of a better word, is on top of why RB is so much better and is looking to even the playing field. That is cool too. A major innovation or two will and should ultimately be shared for the benefit of the sport and mankind.

The tyre situation is, with respect, one of the better things to hit the sport and creates so many challenges to the teams - all with the same challenge.

Please let us stop bitching about the tyre situation. It is a good thing.

Amen
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All sport is "artificial"

The offside rule in football is just as artificial as the DRS rule in F1

The back-pass rule is just as artificial as the single-make-must-use-two-compounds F1 tyre rule.

I think the new tyre rule is good, on the whole, and I no longer mind the "artificialness" of having to use both compounds. It is a test of driver and machine on different grip levels. It makes it interesting.
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GordonB,May 23 2011
03:37 PM
All sport is "artificial"

The offside rule in football is just as artificial as the DRS rule in F1

The back-pass rule is just as artificial as the single-make-must-use-two-compounds F1 tyre rule.

I think the new tyre rule is good, on the whole, and I no longer mind the "artificialness" of having to use both compounds. It is a test of driver and machine on different grip levels. It makes it interesting.

Hell - I am artificial too. Still like to think I am OK
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This year the two compound rule has made more sense now that there is a bigger difference in tyre quality and a driver has to change because either his soft trye degrades or he never had any grip in the first place because it's too hard.

We see more interesting strategies that play out over the whole weekend rather than just someone making a lucky call, which can still happen.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,May 23 2011
11:50 AM
This year the two compound rule has made more sense now that there is a bigger difference in tyre quality and a driver has to change because either his soft trye degrades or he never had any grip in the first place because it's too hard.

That's a damn fine post. <thumbsup>
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The single tyre supplier does not level the field or improve the racing it actively harms it.

Instead of teams being able to use a tyre that suits their cars and driver they have to try to guess what the best way to use next season's tyres will be and design their car around those requirements.

If they get it wrong their car is handicapped for the entire season. It has happened to both McLaren and Ferrari in recent years to name but two.

If one driver has a smoother style than the other and can't get heat into the tyres? Handicapped for the entire season.

If one driver is more aggressive and wears his tyres faster than the other?
Handicapped for the entire season.

The teams ought to be able to choose compounds that suit their car and driver and strategy combination. Anything else degrades the racing.

It isn't case of complaining for the sake of it; we're being short-changed. And anybody who believes that it's been done to improve the racing is naive. It's about money and about advertising.
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Brave_Lee_Flea,May 26 2011
11:58 AM
The teams ought to be able to choose compounds that suit their car and driver and strategy combination. Anything else degrades the racing.

It isn't case of complaining for the sake of it; we're being short-changed. And anybody who believes that it's been done to improve the racing is naive. It's about money and about advertising.

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