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2010 Ferrari has fallen short of expectations
Topic Started: Jan 17 2010, 11:37 AM (815 Views)
Iberiafromoz
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Cheers P-One.

So we might say that each team uses or might uses a fuel of different specification but withing the guidelines of the FIA and this explains why Ferrari is talking to shell.
So if we compare performance with consumption the Mercedes engine is by far the best performer followed closely by Renault. Ferrari has or had a fair bit of work to catch up. Good! that'll keep them on their toes. :)
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Iberiafromoz,Jan 17 2010
07:23 PM
John,Jan 17 2010
11:22 PM
Iberiafromoz,Jan 17 2010
11:12 PM
Another issue for Ferrari?

Another issue for Alonso?

<think>

So you mean, Massa is not getting affected...or just having a go at me. ;)

More I'm guessing that Alonso would be the favorite of the Ferrari drivers to win the title and the reason her came to Ferrari. If the year is over before it begins I'm sure it will frustrate both drivers.
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Yes, fuel consumption is directly related to HP, all other things being equal. More HP = more fuel consumed.

I do not know how this will be played out this season. Detune the engine for efficiency, or tune the engine to compensate for the extra weight.

Interesting, No?
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flood1,Jan 18 2010
04:22 AM
Yes, fuel consumption is directly related to HP, all other things being equal. More HP = more fuel consumed.

I do not know how this will be played out this season. Detune the engine for efficiency, or tune the engine to compensate for the extra weight.

Interesting, No?

Thanks for the new chart with Mclaren on, the only hope for Ferrari fans are that to combat the Aero problems Ferrari did all they could to squeeze all the HP out of the engine to make up for this at a time when fuel efficiency was not as important as this year. The difference with Mclaren is too wide otherwise. <think>
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Another interesting thing is that the teams owned by the engine supplier all had better fuel efficiency specs than the teams simply supplied the engine. This was most dramatic with Mercedes. I wonder if that advantage will move from Mclaren to Mercedes Brawn this year.
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Iberiafromoz,Jan 18 2010
01:23 AM
So you mean, Massa is not getting affected...or just having a go at me. ;)

neither, I was just highlighting that if it is a problem/issue for Ferrari then it will be an issue for Alonso (and for Massa naturally)

I only said Alonso as I know you will be more concerned about him than for Massa... I suspect if there are some problems with the 2010 Ferrari having Alonso in the team will be a great help (more so than having Kimi)
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flood1,Jan 18 2010
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The more horsepower an engine has the more fuel it uses. may explain why Renault is so fuel efficient........................

Doesn't that assume that each engine is equally efficient at extracting the energy from the fuel, and not wasting it through excessive friction within the components, unburned fuel escaping into the exhaust, etc? While the maximum power that you can get out of an engine will obviously be limited by the amount of fuel that you can put into the combustion chamber, you still have to make the best use of it.
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Pasta,Jan 18 2010
07:04 AM
Another interesting thing is that the teams owned by the engine supplier all had better fuel efficiency specs than the teams simply supplied the engine. This was most dramatic with Mercedes. I wonder if that advantage will move from Mclaren to Mercedes Brawn this year.

That would make sense. The engine would be optimised for use in their chassis, so when installed in a different one you might find that the difference in exhaust headers alters the fuel consumption. Also, the different aero package would probably have an effect too. I would assume that a manufacturer's car would probably be a little more aero efficient than a customer car due to their larger budget. maybe a dangerous asumption... And, the mauacturer will also have access to much more detailed info on their own car, allowing them to tailor the engine to suit it better, if only from a point of view of changing the ignition mapping, which is about all they can do these days.....
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John,Jan 17 2010
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Iberiafromoz,Jan 17 2010
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Another issue for Ferrari?

Another issue for Alonso?

<think>

but he's bringing .6 so that leaves him with only .3 to work with.
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Just a thought, at the start of last year, exactly the same was being said of the McLaren and those rumour proved true. It doesn't sound too good.
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AndyW76,Jan 18 2010
06:48 AM
Just a thought, at the start of last year, exactly the same was being said of the McLaren and those rumour proved true. It doesn't sound too good.

Oh sure kick us while we are down... <no> <sad>

The irony here is now Ferrari fans may end up being made to watch a Shumi dominated season orchestrated by Ross Braun.
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Norbert,Jan 18 2010
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flood1,Jan 18 2010
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The more horsepower an engine has the more fuel it uses. may explain why Renault is so fuel efficient........................

Doesn't that assume that each engine is equally efficient at extracting the energy from the fuel, and not wasting it through excessive friction within the components, unburned fuel escaping into the exhaust, etc? While the maximum power that you can get out of an engine will obviously be limited by the amount of fuel that you can put into the combustion chamber, you still have to make the best use of it.

Absolutely true, Norbs. In absolute numbers there is a given amount of energy in a volume of fuel. If burned efficiently one can extract that energy and maxamize the HP. In general terms, you must burn a greater volume to get more energy.

So, I agree. In the case of F1 2009, the engines that are reported to be the most poweful are also the ones that used the most fuel.

The other point to be made is that aero efficiency also plays into this equation. Poor efficency also affects fuel consumption.
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as BMW announce mid season they were leaving and stopped developing their car their average fuel consumption taken over the whole season would be higher... that explains it. <think>
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/does...ri-test-matter/

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"The F2008 car has more or less the same engine as this years 2010 car, due to the engine freeze in F1. The question many people will be asking is whether they are able to get any technical benefit from running this test, for example to test something out in the engine.

The answer I’ve gleaned from talking to F1 engineers from other teams is that there is little benefit that can be derived from this test which they could not derive from testing on the dyno in the factory.

Ferrari’s big issue this season is fuel consumption, with suggestions that at 2009 rates of fuel use, they may have to carry as much as 10 kilos of fuel more at the start of the race than cars powered by Renault or Mercedes. On average this will mean a deficit of 3/10ths of a second per lap to their rivals and more on some tracks. I think it that the actual figure is likely to be less than this, because it is something that they have been working hard on this winter."

The curse of KERS.
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