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Moss gives his views...
Topic Started: Jan 16 2010, 03:58 PM (739 Views)
John
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Petra Lead,Jan 17 2010
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John,Jan 17 2010
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Off topic (althought part of the interview) but I find his 'queer' comment about Button a bit of a concern... <think>

Also off topic ... is there anything British about Rolls Royce these days?

<wtf> at least my 'off topic' was pertaining to the Moss interview... he said something odd and I made a comment...

If the Rolls-Royce (Motor Cars) company being a subsidiary of the BMW Group is in your view no longer means they can be considered to be British that is a matter for you.. It's not for me to dissuade you from that view save to say it is a minority view.

So Aston-Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lotus, Bentley are not British in your view, that's quite sad... to me they are all quintessentially British.
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John,Jan 17 2010
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Petra Lead,Jan 17 2010
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John,Jan 17 2010
01:27 AM
Off topic (althought part of the interview) but I find his 'queer' comment about Button a bit of a concern... <think>

Also off topic ... is there anything British about Rolls Royce these days?

<wtf> at least my 'off topic' was pertaining to the Moss interview... he said something odd and I made a comment...

If the Rolls-Royce (Motor Cars) company being a subsidiary of the BMW Group is in your view no longer means they can be considered to be British that is a matter for you.. It's not for me to dissuade you from that view save to say it is a minority view.

So Aston-Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lotus, Bentley are not British in your view, that's quite sad... to me they are all quintessentially British.

Sorry I was distracted by the different parts of your sig .... ended up putting them together ...

I wasn't intending to make any inferences Rolls Royce (or any of the other marques you mentioned); it was a straight-forward question.

I know they are owned by a German company but I wondered if they were either built or designed in the UK these days, i.e. is there any British involvement at all?
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When Rolls Royce and Bentley split in 2003, Bentley kept all the factories/workforce at crew..

BMW in preparation for this acquired a site near Goodwood and built an all new factory (part subterranean and with many Eco features...it is a dedicated wildlife sanctuary) they also recruited many of the existing Rolls Royce craftsmen who in turn trained others and operate traditional apprenticeships.

They may be a part of the BMW Group of comapaies, but are registered in the UK... <thumbsup>
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Pasta,Jan 17 2010
07:00 PM
Back to the topic, Mr. Moss is a bit long of tooth, and is ignoring the nature of Michael Schumacher.

As to other comments about who Michael has raced against in the past, he completely dominated both RB and FM for many years. The team orders only came into play a very few times.

Since then RB has been very competitive with Jensen, and Felipe was actually beating Kimi, who was reputed to be the purest fastest racer in the sport.

While the team was behind Michael, and it was his team in a lot of respects, that still does not account for his normal dominance of his teammates, who were both good drivers.

Anyway, we shall see this year.

It does not really matter what Moss thinks... that is to say he has his own opinions on everything and if he is asked to give his view he will give it and we must accept it as such.. his opinion... we don't have to agree with it.

I have no problem with Sir Stirling's views relating to racing, gee the man is a legend... and I often agree with his POV... I have said many times myself since the Schumacher return was confirmed that Hamilton and Vettel will not be phased by him...
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I have been away and haven't read the Moss interview, but what was the "queer" remark? The discussion above explained all of the Sch remarks, but the Button thing was dismissed after Nomad said his bit.

I may have read it by the time you guys read this, but I was interested as to how this entered the discussion.
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flood1,Jan 18 2010
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I have been away and haven't read the Moss interview, but what was the "queer" remark? The discussion above explained all of the Sch remarks, but the Button thing was dismissed after Nomad said his bit.

I may have read it by the time you guys read this, but I was interested as to how this entered the discussion.

You can see/hear the Stirling Moss interview in its entity by following the link on top from John:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80930
The Queer-remark comes up at 8min 34 secs into the interview.

Now I am not British :) , so not sure I get it all right, but it goes approx. like this:
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Q. Shortly after you retired, the money thing started. Do you think that was good or bad, this very restrictive corporate sponsorship that infiltrated racing in the late 1960ties?

SM: I think I can see why it is necessary, but I think that is because of the tremendous amount of money put in by sponsors and so on, it is a difficult thing for a driver. If I arrived at a race track, as long as I was there for practice and the race, then I was free afterwards to go and chase crumpet or anything else. Now you have to go and speak to Vodafone and all these other sponsors. So it would not have suited my way of life, no.

Q. I bet that when we interview Jenson he does not tell us that he chases crumpet after the race

SM: No, but he is not queer!
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A crumpet is actually something like a pancake style English Muffin often eaten at breakfast. In Stirling Moss' days the word did however also become slang for a woman regarded as an object of sexual desire. So you can actually say that it is the interviewer that leads Stirling Moss down the road, as insinuating that Jenson Button does not/would not tell (or maybe even care for) that he wants to go out and chase girls (due to his sexual desire). It was therefore meant from Stirling Moss side as a quick reply to say he did not think JB is gay and he understood that F1 drivers of today are tied too much up by the corporate business/time they have to spend with sponsors etc, all which Stirling Moss agrees he probably would have had difficulties with. So no homophobic intend as such, but as Nomad said, not 100% political correct in our 'modern' days as queer is considered a negative slangword for homosexuals.
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It was a about 4½ mins into the video clip... SSM was saying how it was different in his day (duties of the drivers) so long as he turned up for practice and the race they were free to chase crumpet (tail, skirt etc)... and that nowadays drivers have all the PR stuff to do as well as drive the cars that they don't have as much free time... The interviewer said he didn't think Jenson would say he chased crumpet... and SSM replied well he is not queer so don't worry.. now when I first mention this in an earlier post it was not the use of the term 'queer' that surprised me as Nomad said it was a common term in his day, I was more surprised that he said Button was not so that was alright... meaning it might not be alright if he was queer.

Again let me say it I was surprised at the comment, not shocked... It was meant as an observation not an accusation
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Sorry P-One didn't see your post so doubled up a bit... <doh>
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I feel that moss is right. After 3 years away, even at the close proximity that he was to the sport, F1 has moved on some what from Schumacher's day. Even Lauda struggled initially up on his return (missing out on qualifying for the Monaco GP that year).
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I think you'll find that adjectives such as 'queer' and 'crumpet' are still in use by most people today, save the youngest of generations, who seem to prefer more vulgar and blunt descriptions such as 'marmite-miner' and 'flange'....
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I do not doubt SSM's opinion... but with respect he can only speculate as to how well Schumacher will preform upon his return (as must we). It is very reasonable to assume that any driver returning after a 3 year gap and returning as the oldest driver in the field by some margin will not be as sharp as in his prime... no question.

The crucial point here (for me) is this is Schumacher we are talking about and yes today he is no match for the schumacher of say 10 years ago... but as his prime was so high... even now he will match most of the grid and if Mercedes can provide him with a good car he should hold up against the best in F1 today... (my opinion)

I guess we will know soon enough. <thumbsup>
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John,Jan 18 2010
11:58 AM
The crucial point here (for me) is this is Schumacher we are talking about and yes today he is no match for the schumacher of say 10 years ago... but as his prime was so high... even now he will match most of the grid and if Mercedes can provide him with a good car he should hold up against the best in F1 today... (my opinion)

I agree. If Schumacher has declined (and it's hard to imagine that he hasn't) then he has only declined with respect to himself. Which will still be pretty damn good.

As you say, exactly how good will be revealed as this season progresses.
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Don't get me wrong, I believe that Schumacher will still be quite sharp for his age but speed over a single lap does not correlate to speed over a race distance. Lets also not forget that Schumacher was beaten by Alonso in 2006, when both drivers had an advantage over the other at some point in the season (i.e. post Mass-damper, the Ferrari was the faster car).
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AndyW76,Jan 18 2010
12:47 PM
Schumacher was beaten by Alonso in 2006

<roflmao> Loosing out on the WDC in the final race of the season when your final race position was compromised by having an unscheduled stop to fix a flat tyre is not the same as saying you were past it and long overdue for retiring...

How did Hakkinen far in his last season... no comparison... and Schumacher's 2006 performance is nothing to be embarrassed about... I bet many drivers would love to have a season as good as Schumacher's last outing (121 points 7 wins)
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John,Jan 18 2010
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AndyW76,Jan 18 2010
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Schumacher was beaten by Alonso in 2006

<roflmao> Loosing out on the WDC in the final race of the season when your final race position was compromised by having an unscheduled stop to fix a flat tyre is not the same as saying you were past it and long overdue for retiring...

How did Hakkinen far in his last season... no comparison... and Schumacher's 2006 performance is nothing to be embarrassed about... I bet many drivers would love to have a season as good as Schumacher's last outing

I guess that you've forgotten about Alsono's various setbacks in the tail end of 2006 (Monza, anyone?). Also, by that arguement, Lewis would have deserved the 2007 title more that Kimi. In motorsport you have to take the rough with the smooth. Every bit of bad luck usually balances out. It was evident in 2006 that Schumi was not as quick as in his hey day and now it is 3 years later. I'm sure he will put in every effort for his team but I just think it is going to be quite a trial for him.
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