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F1 Agony aunt Alonso; His advice.
Topic Started: Jan 15 2010, 09:05 AM (638 Views)
sportsman
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The simple truth is, that we do not know the truth.We have formed opinions based on press reports and conjecture.
Not one of us know the real truth.If we see the video recording of the interviews then we do know what each party said.
I have read so many press reports in which the reporter has taken sentences out of context, and weaved some sort of fantasy conclusion..

And if anyone say's well Ron said this, Lewis said that, how the hell do we know if that is the truth.
That's what the reporter wrote.Which may be true, or may just be just rumour.
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sportsman,Jan 15 2010
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What language barrier.There isn't one.That only exists in peoples febrile imaginations.

I'm not getting your meaning.. to my understanding febrile is relating to a fever... unless you mean that language barriers exist only in the mind of those too lazy to learn another language... <think> in which case that may be so, and as I can only speak one language proficiently I would say (in my case) language could be a real barrier to me working in a non English speaking company.
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There is only a language barrier if lack of communication allows it. If I was to work in a country where my knowledge of the local language was minimal, I would attempt to learn as much of that language as possible to allow me to do my job. Of course it does depend on the language as well. I suspect that it would be much harder to learn Chinese Mandarin than Italian. And some countries english is very much the principle language such as Singapore, as there are several ethnic groups that make up the population in large proportions and English is the one common language most people there share.
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John,Jan 15 2010
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sportsman,Jan 15 2010
02:15 PM
What language barrier.There isn't one.That only exists in peoples febrile imaginations.

I'm not getting your meaning.. to my understanding febrile is relating to a fever... unless you mean that language barriers exist only in the mind of those too lazy to learn another language... <think> in which case that may be so, and as I can only speak one language proficiently I would say (in my case) language could be a real barrier to me working in a non English speaking company.

Febrile imagination is a medical term that mean over heated imagination. Paranoia is a classic example of this.It only exists in the imagination.
It is not a disease in it's own right.
It can be treated however by sedatives which reduce the symptoms.
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Gotcha... <thumbsup>

Yes.. it exist in the mind (or my mind) as with a little application I could I sure learn another language.
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Laguage barriers do exist, inasmuch if you cannot comunicate at all, except by gestures then life in a foriegn country is very difficult indeed.But in the case of Alonso and Massa and the Ferrari workforce I don't think there would be any problems.

During my working life I have worked in nearly every country of the world.I am a structural engieer by profession.
I worked worked in countries where I did not speak a single word of the local language, and had to rely on an interpreter.
But on many occassions I have simply pointed to something on a drawing, and the local engineer will look at it nod, and then either he or I will draw a quick sketch of an altenative solution.
Not a word was actually needed.Bit difficult in F1 however.
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On top of language differences, you also have to fit in/accept diversions in e.g. culture and humour when not 'at home'. Maybe Alonso found the Woking style too close for comfort to Fawlty Towers? :) <sarcasm>
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P-One,Jan 15 2010
07:40 PM
On top of language differences, you also have to fit in/accept diversions in e.g. culture and humour when not 'at home'.  Maybe Alonso found the Woking style too close for comfort to Fawlty Towers?   :)   <sarcasm>

Agreed P-One. I know that like me you are an ex-pat.The culture difference was for me far more difficult than the language.
Fortuanately for me, as English is so widely spoken by many of the locals, that did make it much easier than say your native language.
Both of the local languages here, Russian and Latvian can be picked up fairly quickly at simple levels.The biggest problem is that the languages are highly structured.The same word with a different end sound, can get anything from a big grin, to a punch on the nose.
Regarding the culture, I have lived here, I am married to a local, for the past 15years.And to this day I still don't really understand Latvian humour.Russian humour is far more like English humour.
But here isn't any way I would leave here to return to England.

errr I am mad.
http://www.euronews.net/weather/europe/latvia/riga/

And I have this to look forward to.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2827
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sportsman,Jan 15 2010
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Both of the local languages here, Russian and Latvian can be picked up fairly quickly at simple levels.The biggest problem is that the languages are highly structured.The same word with a different end sound, can get anything from a big grin, to a punch on the nose.

So with neighbors like that, no wonder the Finnish have learned simply to say as little as possible. :)

Regarding your nice stable local climate I can see that tomorrow you will get down to freezing cold -16, Sunday freezing cold -12, Monday freezing cold -13. And on Tuesday it will finally become really nice freezing cold -24 degrees.
Any special tricks you can share with us to start a diesel engine in those conditions? :o
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pre warm it 10 mins...?

We never had anything like -16 in Ireland but I remember my father always covering the engine with carpet to help protect it over night.
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P-One,Jan 15 2010
03:08 PM
sportsman,Jan 15 2010
10:03 PM
Both of the local languages here, Russian and Latvian can be picked up fairly quickly at simple levels.The biggest problem is that the languages are highly structured.The same word with a different end sound, can get anything from a big grin, to a punch on the nose.

So with neighbors like that, no wonder the Finnish have learned simply to say as little as possible. :)

Regarding your nice stable local climate I can see that tomorrow you will get down to freezing cold -16, Sunday freezing cold -12, Monday freezing cold -13. And on Tuesday it will finally become really nice freezing cold -24 degrees.

No thank you, I'll take my 60 degree day thanks.
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Rob,Jan 15 2010
09:30 PM
No thank you, I'll take my 60 degree day thanks.

It's 276.1 degrees here in London at the moment... <thumbsup>
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Actually John, Kelvin isn't measured in degrees. It's just a unit like metres or seconds. So the temperature would just be 276.1 K, not degrees K.

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you see why I love this place, you learn something new every day.... <thumbsup>
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P-One,Jan 15 2010
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So with neighbors like that, no wonder the Finnish have learned simply to say as little as possible. :)

Regarding your nice stable local climate I can see that tomorrow you will get down to freezing cold -16, Sunday freezing cold -12, Monday freezing cold -13. And on Tuesday it will finally become really nice freezing cold -24 degrees.
Any special tricks you can share with us to start a diesel engine in those conditions? :o [/QUOTE]
There may be a lot of truth in that :)

Starting deisels.Firstly the local big chain filling stations here, Statoil, Neste or similair use an additive in deisel which stops it gelling at such low temperatures.

To start them, the normal practice I use is as follows.Most of the cars I drive have autoumatic pre heating which comes on as soon as you turn the the key.
What I do, is`turn the key,the pre heater lights come on,and I sit and wait until they go off.I then turn the key off again,and then repeat.The second time as soon as the preheating lights go off, I spin the engine.If it doesnt start fairly quickly,I turn the key off again,and repeat the pre heating process.
If you don't have autoumatic preaheating, carry out the same procedure manually.
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