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| F1 Agony aunt Alonso; His advice. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 15 2010, 09:05 AM (639 Views) | |
| sportsman | Jan 15 2010, 09:05 AM Post #1 |
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In this case he is talking about him nd Massa. But it applies to all F1. "We are in 2010 and some minorities keep remembering this 2007 thing, but you can't keep talking about this forever." http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80873 |
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| John | Jan 15 2010, 09:15 AM Post #2 |
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"I never asked to be number one driver in any team in my career and that's coming from nowhere, and keeps repeating again from a minority. "But what I don't want to be, for sure, is number two, like it happened sometimes in 2007," Alonso added, referring to his season at McLaren. |
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| sportsman | Jan 15 2010, 09:49 AM Post #3 |
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Which means exactly what. He is in that case referring to a situation under controlled conditions which was controllable. A rather different yardstick apllies events which happen under racing conditions. Different circumstances wouldn't you agree. |
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| John | Jan 15 2010, 10:14 AM Post #4 |
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Totally agree. |
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| Norbert | Jan 15 2010, 10:28 AM Post #5 |
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Splitting hairs, but if you want at least equal treatment, aren't you asking for both drivers to be number one, in a fashion? We will never really know if he did ask to be a definite number one driver, but you can bet that being the reigning WDC and having a rookie as teammate, he would have expected to be favoured a little. Sadly, he failed to heed the warnings from DC and many others about 'we' and 'they'. |
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| John | Jan 15 2010, 10:32 AM Post #6 |
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McLaren have never said that he demanded such status, and he has clearly indicated he never asked for it... without any contradicting evidence I am inclined to believe him. |
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| sportsman | Jan 15 2010, 10:44 AM Post #7 |
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I believe him as well. Look at it this way.I have my office with four workstations.I have existing engineers who have been with me for some years. They have over the over the years grabbed the best positions.If I take on a new engineer, at senior level even, should I turf out one of the existing engineers to give him a better workstation position. They all get the same tools to work with,computer programmes and suchlike. Updates tp programmes to go the guys who are getting the best out of them already.I don't give the newest update, automatically to the senior engineer.They go to the people who are getting the best out of what they already have. |
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| John | Jan 15 2010, 12:21 PM Post #8 |
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Massa seems happy with Alonso... "Things have started extremely well," Massa said. "We've already started to speak a lot about the car and what to do to have a competitive car. "I've spoken more to Fernando now than in three years with Kimi. Perhaps this was not difficult because Kimi of course did not like to speak much, but I also worked extremely well with Kimi, even without speaking. So it was fine. I think we can have a very good relationship and we can work extremely well together." Granted this is the honeymoon period and no doubt similar stories abounded when Alonso joined McLaren, but where I work the two Brazilians and the three Spanish colleagues get along very well despite the language difference, but then they share English and Alonso/Massa will share Italian |
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| AndyW76 | Jan 15 2010, 12:46 PM Post #9 |
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As much as Alonso never demanded No. 1 status, it was very clear that he was unhappy with McLaren for not reigning back Lewis. Remember his jestures at Indy when Lewis would not back off and let him by. All this talk of "Lewis was No. 1" just comes across as bitterness. I can not believe that McLaren would be so daft as to hand No. 1 status to a rookie over a double WDC. To believe that is to suggest that McLaren are run by a bunch of idiots, which is evidently not the case. When Alonso says "I was sometimes No. 2", he is obviously demonstrating his dissatisfaction with not getting everything his own way. |
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| John | Jan 15 2010, 01:00 PM Post #10 |
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Who knows how the mind of Ron Dennis works... McLaren as a team would strive to offer equal treatment have no doubt, but whether they would challenge Ron over any issue of him knowingly or unknowingly being biased is another matter. Ron says let Senna (or Mika, Kimi, Lewis) have XYZ... no one is going to question him (except the 'other' driver) |
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| John | Jan 15 2010, 01:03 PM Post #11 |
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If you are No.2 that does not only mean you are not No.1, it can equally mean you are not equal... So is he just demonstrating his dissatisfaction with not getting EQUAL status as expected... there will never be a conclusive answer to this. |
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| AndyW76 | Jan 15 2010, 01:44 PM Post #12 |
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Ah but define what Alonso considers equal treatment. It was evident at Renault that he was undisputed no. 1 in both his tenures there. Also, at mcLaren, I believe that much of Alonso's beef was with Lewis being able to see his set up data (which he promptly put an end to). |
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| GordonB | Jan 15 2010, 01:45 PM Post #13 |
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As sportsman pointed out a little while ago, it's impossible for both drivers to receive equal treatment at all times - for example, there was always an "optimum" fuel strategy, so one of the drivers would get that. Alonso says that he never asked to be number 1, but that he also should never have been number 2. The problem with that is that if you are completely "fair" to your drivers, then sometimes each driver must be number 2 because it's the other drivers "turn" to be number 1. As AndyW points out - this doesn't come over as a vindication of Alonso to me, it still looks like he's complaining that he didn't get his own way all of the time - which is effectively expecting number 1 status, even if he never explicitly asked for it. |
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| Norbert | Jan 15 2010, 02:04 PM Post #14 |
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I think there are two issues here, which have combined to create the situation that occurred within McLaren. First, McLaren are a team that have had consistant complaints from past drivers that their teammate was significantly favoured by the team depsite protestations that the drivers are equal - the most notable case being several drivers referring to themselves being referred to as 'them'. Second, Alonso has always effectively been a number 1 driver at Renault, even if the status is not required to be set in stone due to the relative lack of talented teammates. With Minardi, he faced the might of Tarso Marques and Alex Yoong. At Renault, his teammates have been Jarno Trulli, Giancarlo Fisichella, and for a few races, a returning for the end of season and rather out of sorts Jacques Villeneuve. Not exactly the sort of teammates that team orders will be required to beat. And surely the quicker driver will get slightly favoured, even if not by design? |
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| sportsman | Jan 15 2010, 02:15 PM Post #15 |
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In our office we have native Russian speakers.Native Latvian speakers.Native Estonian speakers.Native Finnish speakers. They do all speak English.Most of them can also speak Rusian and Latvian.The Russians talk to each other in Russian.The Latvians talk to each other in Latvian.The English and Americans speak to each other in English, although most of us can speak either Russian or Lativan. What language barrier.There isn't one.That only exists in peoiples febrile imaginations. |
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