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| John | Jan 6 2010, 01:31 PM Post #31 |
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Sportsman is correct.... on forums his supporters (he must have some) will remind us he was never proved as knowing in advance and his sanction was over ruled... and his detractors will call him all the names mentioned by GordonB... Bernie has already said today he (F1) would welcome Flavio back... also this has implications on this ownership of the English Football team
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| AndyW76 | Jan 6 2010, 02:01 PM Post #32 |
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Flav will always have his friends in motorsport but I do suspect that the cloud over him may still scare away some sponsors for a while. I am willing to bet that Flav will take a short break before getting back to business. In a couple of years much of the talk will have died down. |
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| Norbert | Jan 6 2010, 02:32 PM Post #33 |
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Well, plenty of people refer to a certain returning multiple champion as a cheating, lying scumbag, so I think we can safely assume it won't hurt Flab either. |
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| sportsman | Jan 6 2010, 03:00 PM Post #34 |
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Far from it.In reality in the real world of F1, not chat forums or the press Flav is probably the toast of the town. Why. All of F1, the teams, the team principals will see this as Max getting a bloody nose. There is little love for Max in F1,and all of the teams were well aware that all of the "sham hearing" and subsequent penalty were the result of Max's personal vendetta against Flavio. Whether ot not Flav is guilty is in this case irrelevant.For Max to be taken down a peg or two, will have all of F1 chortling in glee. Serves the dictator right will be their opinion. |
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| sportsman | Jan 6 2010, 03:26 PM Post #35 |
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Bernie woul welcome Flav back. But this seems to indicate that Bernie has finally taken leave of his senses. The FIA change their rules, and then have a new hearing.And apply rulings according to the new rules.That's illegal as well. Ecclestone believes a further FIA hearing is therefore possible. "I guess the FIA will have to appeal and maybe change their rules and bring Flavio and Pat Symonds before them again, which is what I suggested they should do some time ago," he told the Independent. "We'll have to see what happens." GT Academy 2010 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80751 |
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| Red Andy | Jan 6 2010, 03:54 PM Post #36 |
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Joe Saward and James Allen have both mooted the possibility of F1 team principals and technical directors being required to hold FIA licences, as the teams and drivers currently do. This would allow future offenders to be punished under the FIA statutes and, of course, provide a perfectly legal method for Symonds and Briatore to be denied any further role in F1. |
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| John | Jan 6 2010, 03:56 PM Post #37 |
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simple solution... |
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| Brave_Lee_Flea | Jan 6 2010, 06:17 PM Post #38 |
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Can they apply new rules retrospectively? I wonder if that in itself might not be within the rules? Surely Flav would have good grounds for challenging that decision if it were made? |
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| John | Jan 6 2010, 07:49 PM Post #39 |
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I doubt they could... but if they introduce licences for team principles and other key staff the FIA can refuse to issue one to Flavio in effect banning him from the sport. |
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| flood1 | Jan 6 2010, 11:42 PM Post #40 |
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I wrote this elsewhere a couple of days ago: If I am not mistaken, Jr. and Symonds admitted their involvement and no evidence was required. FB never did admit his involvement and no evidence has been presented, as far as I know. Witness "X" ? Max discouraged his attendance and participation in the hearings, as did Renault with their decision to plead "guilty." The court simply ruled that the FIA rules give them no jurisdiction over matters that do not require FIA licenses. They reduced the scope of their decision to that one point. So, I suspect that team managers, team principals, agents of drivers, etc. will be required by future FIA rules to be licensed. And, of course, FB would be denied a license if he choose to apply. Fait Acompli! |
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| Brave_Lee_Flea | Jan 6 2010, 11:50 PM Post #41 |
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Sounds plausible. Do the FIA have to provide any guidelines as to who they will grant a licence to? What I am getting at is in the event that Flav applied and was refused could he challenge that? It is interesting, I suspect/hope that with a new broom in Jean Todt the FIA will be less vindictive than they were under Max. Such a shame that poltics always marr this fine sport. If Flav were proven guilty I would support a ban, but in the absence of tangible proof I find the FIA's position to be indefensible. |
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| Iberiafromoz | Jan 7 2010, 12:26 AM Post #42 |
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I don't agree. The handling of the case with a Mr X, uminities by convenience, etc has made the ruling unacceptable. We never new what really happened but rather what the FIA and mosley wanted to achieve. If anything the case should be re-investigated by a CAPABLE independent commission. But it just won't happened. It has now fell in the "oubliettes". I still believe in a couple of years, Briatore will be back into F1 and perhaps with its own team. If Alonso is successful next year and next, the TV rights from Spain that Briatore holds will allow him to buy just that. |
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| Jack | Jan 7 2010, 12:55 AM Post #43 |
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Based on what? The FIA will need a good excuse if Flavio meets the requirements.
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| flood1 | Jan 7 2010, 01:14 AM Post #44 |
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A license is the result of a process that results in a contract. The requirements are specified. They could be something on the nature of "degrading the sport through actions whether intented or not intended." For example:Rule 127.I.Sec.9 of artical "whatever" says: "Any individual, as so agreed by a bipartisian FIA comittee, who is deemed to have brought the Sport into disrepute, may be subject to refusal of license." |
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| Jack | Jan 7 2010, 01:27 AM Post #45 |
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Yes, but someone should prove that Flavio was guilty of that... if not Flavio could sue the FIA. |
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