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FB ban over turned
Topic Started: Jan 5 2010, 02:25 PM (1,255 Views)
Rob
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John,Jan 5 2010
09:57 AM
Piquet Jr should also be considered persona non grata, despite his lack of a ban.

I figured his ability would have taken care of that.
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Rob,Jan 5 2010
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John,Jan 5 2010
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Piquet Jr should also be considered persona non grata, despite his lack of a ban.

I figured his ability would have taken care of that.

I'm more concerned that his fathers deep pockets could overcome any concerns about his past or his ability...
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John,Jan 5 2010
03:57 PM
hard to defend the ruling as anything other than a vendetta really...

so banning a drugs cheat from athletics would be a vendetta? it amounts to the same thing - a deliberate, pre-meditated act to influence the outcome of a sporting event planned by several people in advance. Forgive me, but weren't certain trainers banned from training ANY Olympic athletes a while back, and any of their existing athletes excluded as a result of large numbers of test failures?
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Athletes failing drugs test do so because they take drugs not because their manager was once a drugs cheat...

a drugs cheat is banned from competing in the sport but the IAAF does not ban the shamed athlete from attending stadiums or from managing other athletes by removing any athlete managed by the cheat from competing.

A ban for Flavio was right and proper... but the extent of the actual ban handed down was not... there is a difference.
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I think the crucial part is that if you are going to sanction someone under your association rules, you had better follow those rules to the letter and make sure that they comply with the relevant laws. It seems to me that the tribunal found that the FIA didn't follow their own rules properly. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the tribunal found FB innocent.

OK, you may attack now.
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You are correct...

I don't think many people (if any) believe that Flavio is innocent... my position has always been that a lengthy ban should be imposed but that the lifetime ban and the threats to drivers/teams associating with him was always wrong
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John,Jan 5 2010
04:39 PM
Athletes failing drugs test do so because they take drugs not because their manager was once a drugs cheat...

Not their manager - their trainer. The implication was that so many of these particular trainer's athletes were 'dirty' that they could not be certain the remainder weren't. A bit different to a single incident I admit, but it was the principal I was on about (and not the Renault team Principal... lol)
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I also haven't seen any evidence that FB was aware, even though I find that hard to believe. What did Mr. X have to say?
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flood1,Jan 5 2010
07:44 PM
I also haven't seen any evidence that FB was aware, even though I find that hard to believe. What did Mr. X have to say?

I feel pretty much the same way.Witness X appears to be they key.The whole process stinks of a set up by Mosley.

How about this that's only just been made public.

"The court upheld Briatore's complaint in a written statement: "The decision was taken while the [motor sport] council was chaired by [Mosley], who had notoriously come into conflict with Mr Briatore," it said. "Mr Mosley played a key role in launching [both] the inquiry and the legal process, violating the principle of a separation of the bodies that are responsible for the investigation and for the judgment."

The panel of three judges noted Briatore had been summoned via an email only three days before the FIA hearing, had not been told why he had been charged and that the governing body had not sent him any document regarding the scandal."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jan/0...-ban-overturned
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Rob,Jan 5 2010
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John,Jan 5 2010
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Piquet Jr should also be considered persona non grata, despite his lack of a ban.

I figured his ability would have taken care of that.

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Good one Rob!

The overtuned ban is only fair as the head of the "inquisition" (Padre Moseley) played dirty.

I'd give anything to see Mosley face when they announced it.
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The court never said the case was not valid nor that the FIA had no right to sanction Flavio and Symonds... the ruling is limited to the extent of the sanction.

The FIA will appeal (foolishly IMO) what they need to do is revisit the sanction and apply a more legitimate sanction keeping within their remit.
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My concern is that, if the FIA continue to chase their original objective, i.e. Max's dream of elimination the leader of the "loonies", then Flav will end up being completely exonerated and unpunished and possibly compensated. May be it is time for the FIA to negotiate a self-imposed ban with Flav himself. That way, further legal wrangling can be avoided.
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John,Jan 6 2010
10:47 AM
The court never said the case was not valid nor that the FIA had no right to sanction Flavio and Symonds... the ruling is limited to the extent of the sanction.

The FIA will appeal (foolishly IMO) what they need to do is revisit the sanction and apply a more legitimate sanction keeping within their remit.

That's perfectly true.In the strictly legal sense it is not annulled. But it is rendered comepletely ineffictive.
I agree that the FIA would be foolish to appeal. Their press statement is ill thought out as well.
The FIA would do far beeter if they issued a statement saying that they accepted the ruling of the French courts and move on from there.
If they are foolish enough to appeal,then Flavio will contest that,and ask for the entire case to rexamined, which would include the WMSC's original hearing the findings of which these sanctions were based on.
And that hearing would have to be held in the public domain, possibly in Frenach civil court with the witnesses under oath.
So witness X's testimony would only be valid if witness X appeared in person.
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Personally I think that any "alternative" punishment dreamed up by the FIA is a waste of time and effort.

Permanent damage has been done to Flabbio's reputation. He's got the sack from his former team, and his former team have sold an 80% interest to someone else. Wherever he goes, whatever he does - even if he gets re-involved with F1 - he will be followed by whispers that he is a cheating, lying, scumbag. That's probably worse than a life ban.
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GordonB,Jan 6 2010
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Personally I think that any "alternative" punishment dreamed up by the FIA is a waste of time and effort.

Permanent damage has been done to Flabbio's reputation. He's got the sack from his former team, and his former team have sold an 80% interest to someone else. Wherever he goes, whatever he does - even if he gets re-involved with F1 - he will be followed by whispers that he is a cheating, lying, scumbag. That's probably worse than a life ban.

Only on chat forums.Do you think he cares about that.I don't think that will bother him to much
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