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Irvine: Better JB to get beaten by Lewis than Nico; I think he’s going to get murdered!
Topic Started: Jan 4 2010, 10:58 PM (456 Views)
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/04/irvi...-be-number-one/

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Irvine also said he doesn’t expect Jenson Button to offer much competition to new McLaren team mate Lewis Hamilton:

    Jenson has entered the lion’s den – it was madness of him to move. He thinks he’s going to be able to eat his steak and that’s not going to be the case. I think he’s going to get murdered! It’s the worst decision he could have made. The only reason I can think of is that he didn’t want to stay at Brawn with Rosberg, who’s not as highly rated as Lewis but might be just as quick. Jenson may have thought that it’s better to get beaten by Lewis than get beaten by Nico.
    Eddie Irvine


Irvine never minced his words, but has he gone too far this time regarding Button?
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Well maybe Irvine is right, after all he's the expert in getting beaten by an illustrious team mate. Even when he's broken his leg.
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I guess he is the expert.
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Thing is, I don't reckon he's too far off of the mark. Surely Nico at his stage is only going to get quicker, where Jenson is probably about at his peak. Surely if you are going to have a teammate capable of beating you, it would look better to be beaten by a champion than a relative new boy (even if the champion hasn't been in F1 quite as long!) ?

I don't think Lewis will 'murder' Jenson, but I would expect a comprehensive difference between the two. However, I have been wrong before. I'd expect the gap between Jenson and Nico in equal equipment (note that equal is not in McLaren's dictionary) to be closer than the gap there may be at McLaren.

Well, there you go. Jenson will now outscore Lewis handsomely this year just to prive me utterly wrong!
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On one point he is right - if Jenson were to get beaten then it would be less embarrassing to be beaten by Lewis than by Nico.

However, I don't think he'll be "murdered" or even "comprehensively beaten" by Lewis.

Kovalainen was "comprehensively beaten" by Lewis in the last 2 years - possibly even "murdered" - although he did manage to outqualify Lewis on occasion. I rate Jenson higher than Kovalainen, so I think it'll be a bit closer than that.
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I look at it this way. Jenson is not quite as fast as Lewis (IMHO), although he can look after his car better, which may pay off. However, McLaren is basically built around Lewis, who has been there for his whole F1 career, even if that's only three seasons. Jenson has to learn the new team, the new car, and hope he gets a chassis that's prepared (and updated) with similar enthusiasm as his teammate's. If he ends up being yet another 'they' as Ron would say, then he's knackered before he's started, no matter if his car does have '1' on it.
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I think the new rules should suit Jenson more than Hamilton, so it could be close. However, I think Hamilton would have beaten Button solidly had the two be at McLaren this season.
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It is odd for Irvine to be so out spoken... but I guess by extension he must be delighted he had Schumacher as a team mate as it cleverly masked his own short comings and he didn'y even manage a WDC...
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John,Jan 6 2010
09:35 PM
It is odd for Irvine to be so out spoken...

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RJHSaints,Jan 6 2010
08:57 PM
John,Jan 6 2010
09:35 PM
It is odd for Irvine to be so out spoken...

<roflmao>

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Eddie who? Oh, you mean Schumacher's old tea boy.
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I think Button should lay it on thick about how comfy Lewis is at Macca and how with all the Macca experience Lewis should be miles ahead of him. That will put Lewis under (added) pressure, because if JB gets close to him, Lewis is going to look vulnerable. We also know Lewis makes mistakes under pressure, so JB should be backing him into a corner by bigging Lewis up. Give him enough rope, as the saying goes.

Kovi was close to Lewis in quali, but lacked race pace.

JB should be good on race pace with the rule changes and his smooth style.

Think JB might well win in the hare and tortoise race, especially if the Macca turns out to be fragile or a dog to drive.
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Bear,Jan 8 2010
12:56 PM
I think Button should lay it on thick about how comfy Lewis is at Macca and how with all the Macca experience Lewis should be miles ahead of him. That will put Lewis under (added) pressure, because if JB gets close to him, Lewis is going to look vulnerable. We also know Lewis makes mistakes under pressure, so JB should be backing him into a corner by bigging Lewis up. Give him enough rope, as the saying goes.

Kovi was close to Lewis in quali, but lacked race pace.

JB should be good on race pace with the rule changes and his smooth style.

Think JB might well win in the hare and tortoise race, especially if the Macca turns out to be fragile or a dog to drive.

I don't agree. As good as JB is, I believe that Lewis has the edge all round. You only had to watch how Lewis drove at the Hungoring last year to see what class he has.
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AndyW76,Jan 8 2010
04:02 PM
Bear,Jan 8 2010
12:56 PM
I think Button should lay it on thick about how comfy Lewis is at Macca and how with all the Macca experience Lewis should be miles ahead of him. That will put Lewis under (added) pressure, because if JB gets close to him, Lewis is going to look vulnerable. We also know Lewis makes mistakes under pressure, so JB should be backing him into a corner by bigging Lewis up. Give him enough rope, as the saying goes.

I don't agree. As good as JB is, I believe that Lewis has the edge all round. You only had to watch how Lewis drove at the Hungoring last year to see what class he has.

I think you're both right!

Lewis is class but he's also shown that he has a tendency for making mistakes when under pressure.

That said, Lewis is more experienced now and may be less prone to what one could previously have considered rookie mistakes.

Also, Lewis is also very good at playing mind games with his opponent and I'm not sure that Jenson really "does" mind games. This could be a "war" that Jenson doesn't want to start.


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