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Rosberg vs Schumacher; who will prevail
Topic Started: Dec 27 2009, 10:42 AM (1,489 Views)
Brave_Lee_Flea
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sportsman,Dec 30 2009
06:53 PM
My post was mean't to humurous.
But in answer to your question, No he cannot achieve the same levls.

I thought that Rob summed it up about right in his post

Fair enough, I thought so too.
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Voted for Schumacher to get the better of Nico.

Though I like Nico and less so MS, the last long time at Williams, Frank W was not nearly as positively outspoken about Nico as earlier on.
Is he not as good as first thought to be?

MS recent performances at ROC and karting tells me he is back in tip top shape.
The old master will be back. maybe with slight slower reflexes and a few more grey hairs, but he still has it and appears top motivated. Not at least to be teaming up with his old brother in arms R Brawn, chief guru of tech and race strategy.
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Steelstallions,Dec 30 2009
10:07 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Dec 30 2009
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The guy is not stupid enough to come back and make a fool of himself

I doubt he will make a fool of himself he is too experienced, but when you have raced at the level he raced and have your name up their with 'legend' attached, he is taking a big gamble if he comes back and with a reasonable car is fighting for fourth.

Think of all that has been written about Senna since his death. Would the legendary heights he is at now be the same if by some of act of god he was brought to life at the age he was when he died and raced in 2010?

I doubt it, when you see them on the track and they are not doing what you remember them best for they lose that deserved aura they worked so hard to get.
A bit like watching Mike Tyson fight after he was released from Jail never mind the embarrassing fights years later. If he retired when he was undisputed champion his boxing legend would have endured and we all would have wondered what if and sports writers would have written pages about his boxing not just his domestic battles. There is no 'what if' with Mike Tyson, he got spanked in the ring when he didn't have the strength of his youth and lost a lot of the legendary status he had with those like me who watched him from his first fights and a hell of a lot from people who didn't watch him until after his jail release.

MS must pray that Brawn and Mercedes have a trick up their sleeve like Brawn GP had last season, because if his car is equal or lesser than the Ferraris, Mclarens and Red Bulls he risks making himself look just good not legendary.

But did anyone check M Schumachers pockets when he was leaving Ferrari's head quarters??

Maybe Mercedes know the Ferrari 2010 car already??

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ELUSIVEJIM,Dec 30 2009
09:00 PM

What you have to remember is YES Lewis is a very fast driver but he can kill a set of tyres and needs to learn how to look after them which will mean he needs to change his driving style as will alot of drivers in F1.







I keep hearing this one about drivers needing to change their driving style.

Alonso, who started in Abu Dhabi with over 100kg of fuel and went progressively faster without suffering any tyre degradation and no change in driving style.
And that was in a car not designed or ballasted for these fuel loads.
And Alonso himself hs said that he has no intention of changing his style, neither does he think that any others drivers will need to


“I do not believe it (the refueling ban) is going to be decisive or change the races very much. The important thing will be to look after them (tires) in the first 10 or 15 laps, the first stint. But just because of that I don't believe the driving styles are going to change too much,” said Alonso to Spain's Marca, during a Santander event in Madrid.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/alonso-w...-ban-14175.html
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sportsman,Dec 31 2009
08:23 AM

I keep hearing this one about drivers needing to change their driving style.

Alonso, who started in Abu Dhabi with over 100kg of fuel and went progressively faster without suffering any tyre degradation and no change in driving style.
And that was in a car not designed or ballasted for these fuel loads.
And Alonso himself hs said that he has no intention of changing his style, neither does he think that any others drivers will need to


“I do not believe it (the refueling ban) is going to be decisive or change the races very much. The important thing will be to look after them (tires) in the first 10 or 15 laps, the first stint. But just because of that I don't believe the driving styles are going to change too much,” said Alonso to Spain's Marca, during a Santander event in Madrid.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/alonso-w...-ban-14175.html

Another interesting snippet from that article reads

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However, the tires to equip the cars will no longer benefit from warmers, therefore the racers will have to look out for potential sliding when re-entering the track (since getting them up to temperature will also be a tough job for the drivers).


I thought the teams had fought off the proposed ban on tyre warmers on safety grounds and that they would now be allowed after all. Am I wrong about that?
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No you are correct.But I used Alonso's quote.I think that the rest of the article is flawed as that is written by the journalist.
But there is no reason to suspect Alonso's quote.

Bridgestone on 2010 tyres.

"The Japanese supplier has now revealed that additional changes will be made in light of the ban on refuelling for 2010 and the different race strategies that may therefore arise.

"The construction is more durable, and the compounds have also been modified," said chief engineer Jun Matsuzaki. "

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=353481
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sportsman,Dec 31 2009
10:23 AM
No you are correct.But I used Alonso's quote.I think that the rest of the article is flawed as that is written by the journalist.
But there is no reason to suspect Alonso's quote.

Agreed, I wasn't arguing with that bit.
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Red Andy,Dec 28 2009
12:52 PM
I'm still not completely convinced by Rosberg. He had a very good middle part of the season and it of course can't be ignored that he finished seventh in the world championship in a car that his teammate failed to score in. But he has always been inconsistent. For that reason, notwithstanding Schumi's advancing years and his time out of the cockpit, I would expect Michael to have the edge.

I'm not entirely convinced by Rosberg either. But Schumacher has been out of the car for over three years - his fitness may indeed still be excellent, but his sharpness and instincts will almost certainly have suffered due to inaction.

And Rosberg in fairness has probably improved since the start of his career, has decent raw pace and seems to get involved in less incidents during races these days. Unfortunately for Schumacher, I just can't see him beating Rosberg over a season, it will take him a few races to get up to speed and if next year is anything like as competitive as this year was, then Schumacher could be some way behind in the points standings by the time he catches up, even with gaps of just a few tenths.
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I remember the race when Schumacher returned from his broken leg...he absolutely killed the rest of the pack.

His reactions may have slowed but I believe that he still has that hunger.

I think there is only a couple of people on the grid that have the ability to match Schumacher in equal machinery when he has that hunger and I don't believe Rosberg is one of them.
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I think a lot of Shumi's rust will be dealt w/ in testing. A few sessions back behind the wheel and we may see the old Shumi returning (not the be confused w/ Old Shumi returning).
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Not to forget that both Rosberg and Schumacher will arrive as 'new' entrants into a 'new' team. Rosberg may be warm from last season's driving and will hit the tarmac with the wheels spinning but old :) Schumacher will be the one with most traction. If you like team talks, F1 politics etc or not, expect this also to be the case when they are off the tarmac.
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you could be right but Mercedes have said Rosberg will draw first blood in the 2010 car by testing first, Schumacher is not scheduled to test until the second round of testing so Rosberg can hardly say Schumacher is getting special treatment over him.
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John,Jan 5 2010
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you could be right but Mercedes have said Rosberg will draw first blood in the 2010 car by testing first, Schumacher is not scheduled to test until the second round of testing so Rosberg can hardly say Schumacher is getting special treatment over him.

Nonsense, they're making Rosberg do the donkey work of ironing out the teething problems. He's being treated like Schumacher's tea boy.

Oh ok, so I'm playing Devil's Advocate again.
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Naturally that is going to be the popular view of some, given the drivers involved, regardless of wether it was true or not.... that is life.
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I have voted for Nico, though I don't believe there will be much in it. My reason being that as good as Schumi is, the best is yet to come from Nico and he is still trying to establish himself as a star, where as Schumacher has only come back on a 12 month contract, has nothing to prove and hasn't driven for 3 years. I see schumi coming back being like what happened to Mansell in 1995 (and our Nige actually raced during his time away from F1).
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