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10 facts about Luca Badoer; By Jonathan Noble
Topic Started: Aug 11 2009, 09:51 AM (1,138 Views)
Rob
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
10:48 AM
Rob,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
07:55 AM
But how? How have I ACTUALLY been disrespectful?

Why should we only talk about Schumi’s successes? Should we brush his cheating etc under the carpet? How is talking about his cheating being disrespectful? It was him that cheated, he made his bed and he must lay in it.

In many ways Hitler was a great leader, but is it disrespectful to talk about his failings? Go figure…

That's ALL you talk about though when it comes to Shumi. It's like you cannot recognize his accomplishments for all the cheating he did (which I'm sorry to inform you is not nearly as much as you state).

Let's do this. There is a driver who has been successful in F1 and has also cheated, and has been caught driving for a team that cheated, has been punished for some incidents, and not for others.

This could easily describe Lewis or Shumi, or Alonso for that matter the problem when you see that it's Shumi you immediately go on the offensive screaming what a cheat he is and that he's a total scum, when it’s Lewis you go on the offensive on what a cheat Shumi is and that he is scum.


We all know Shumi cheated, we all know Lewis cheated. How about we agree on that an move on.

Rob, Lewis Hamilton’s ‘cheating’ does not get close to Michael Schumachers, Hamilton is blue square north, Schumacher is champions league, and particularly on track cheating

Plus, Hamilton has been punished time and time again, for such things as cutting chicanes etc etc, Schumacher got away with that time and time and time again

Michael Schumacher is a grade A cheat mate, just accept it. Lewis Hamilton doesn’t get close

Ok so where is the magic number? We know Lewis has lied to stewards, he has put marshals in danger in danger by demanding to be craned out of a gravel trap and back to the track, did it again wanting to be pushed out of a gravel trap on the way to the pit lane. I don't believe for a second he was totally innocent in Spygate, and would question anyone that did, and we know Alonso and De La Rosa weren't, but I don't hear you bleating on endlessly about what cheats they are.

I simply don't buy you assertion that your hatred for Shumi is just because he cheated, if that was the case you couldn't watch NASCAR without wanting to kick your tv.
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AndyW76,Aug 11 2009
05:39 PM
I believe the SC was at fault in japan as it suddenly slowed at the chicane and lewis had to anchor on to stop himself going past it.

Sorry, but I think that's utter nonsense. Bernd Mylander (or however you pronounce it) is a damn good safety car driver, and has never done anything daft like . He didn't suddenly slow at the chicane, and in actual fact was well down the track when the incident occurred. Lewis was arsing around behind the safety car all race. Have you forgotten that at the initial start, he went to back up the field, as is expressly forbidden, and ran Alonso (at the time his teammate) clean off of the track? The incident in Japan was caused by Lewis almost pulling off of the track for some obscure reason, then pulling back onto the racing line infront of Webber, causing him to check up, and then Vettel had nowhere to go. Quite how he didn't get a drivethrough for the first incident, never mind anything for the second is beyond me, however I have no doubt that this leniency from the stewards will be forgotten.
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The safety car rules were not as clearly defined then as they are now , I rememeber Alonso doing the same in the British GP restart in 2006 (?) also Schumacher causing Button to crash during the Italian GP warm up lap in 2000 or Schumacher & Montoya in the Monaco tunnel...

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The thing is we are talking here about Senna and M Schumacher who are both World Champions and had a desire so strong they would push the laws of F1 to win.

Yes mistakes were made by both drivers but i feel you have to have a side of your personality which means you will try ANYTHING to win.not

For me the mark of a World Champion is that he will push a car to its limits and beyond to win a race and when you look at the records of Senna and Schumacher there are alot more amazing moments to remember rather than a few bad moments.

Give Alonso or Lewis a situation like Senna's and Schumachers and do not tell me they would not do anything to win a F1 title.

As for Senna no one ever mentions Prost moving over to basically do the same to Senna as Schumacher tried on Villenuve back in 1989.

Yes for me Prost did the same but managed to hide the fact better
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