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10 facts about Luca Badoer; By Jonathan Noble
Topic Started: Aug 11 2009, 09:51 AM (1,140 Views)
stradlin24
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Rob,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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I fear Badoer is going to turn into a hate figure because of all this

Why? Did he cause the injury to Shumi's neck?

Don’t play dumb rob

He’s the man that’s taken the seat that Schumi was meant to have…

How do you think the fan club will enjoy that…?
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Rob,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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But how? How have I ACTUALLY been disrespectful?

Why should we only talk about Schumi’s successes? Should we brush his cheating etc under the carpet? How is talking about his cheating being disrespectful? It was him that cheated, he made his bed and he must lay in it.

In many ways Hitler was a great leader, but is it disrespectful to talk about his failings? Go figure…

That's ALL you talk about though when it comes to Shumi. It's like you cannot recognize his accomplishments for all the cheating he did (which I'm sorry to inform you is not nearly as much as you state).

Let's do this. There is a driver who has been successful in F1 and has also cheated, and has been caught driving for a team that cheated, has been punished for some incidents, and not for others.

This could easily describe Lewis or Shumi, or Alonso for that matter the problem when you see that it's Shumi you immediately go on the offensive screaming what a cheat he is and that he's a total scum, when it’s Lewis you go on the offensive on what a cheat Shumi is and that he is scum.


We all know Shumi cheated, we all know Lewis cheated. How about we agree on that an move on.

Rob, Lewis Hamilton’s ‘cheating’ does not get close to Michael Schumachers, Hamilton is blue square north, Schumacher is champions league, and particularly on track cheating

Plus, Hamilton has been punished time and time again, for such things as cutting chicanes etc etc, Schumacher got away with that time and time and time again

Michael Schumacher is a grade A cheat mate, just accept it. Lewis Hamilton doesn’t get close
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
04:48 PM
Michael Schumacher is a grade A cheat mate, just accept it.

A cheat like Senna <bow>

maybe he should go into NASCAR <roflmao>
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John,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Michael Schumacher is a grade A cheat mate, just accept it.

A cheat like Senna <bow>

maybe he should go into NASCAR <roflmao>

What does NASCAR have to do with anything?

<roflmao> <roflmao>

Senna did cheat but once again, no where near the same level as Schumi
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Rob,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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But how? How have I ACTUALLY been disrespectful?

Why should we only talk about Schumi’s successes? Should we brush his cheating etc under the carpet? How is talking about his cheating being disrespectful? It was him that cheated, he made his bed and he must lay in it.

In many ways Hitler was a great leader, but is it disrespectful to talk about his failings? Go figure…

That's ALL you talk about though when it comes to Shumi. It's like you cannot recognize his accomplishments for all the cheating he did (which I'm sorry to inform you is not nearly as much as you state).

Let's do this. There is a driver who has been successful in F1 and has also cheated, and has been caught driving for a team that cheated, has been punished for some incidents, and not for others.

This could easily describe Lewis or Shumi, or Alonso for that matter the problem when you see that it's Shumi you immediately go on the offensive screaming what a cheat he is and that he's a total scum, when it’s Lewis you go on the offensive on what a cheat Shumi is and that he is scum.


We all know Shumi cheated, we all know Lewis cheated. How about we agree on that an move on.

Lets be fair, there was one point last year where Lewis seemed to do no right in the eyes of the stewards and there were more than a couple of heavy handed penalties. Conversely, what ever your opinion of schumi, he seemed to regularly get the rub of the green.
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AndyW76,Aug 11 2009
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Lets be fair, there was one point last year where Lewis seemed to do no right in the eyes of the stewards and there were more than a couple of heavy handed penalties. Conversely, what ever your opinion of schumi, he seemed to regularly get the rub of the green.

But conversely, Lewis got the rub of the green a lot in 2007 (push-started at the Nurburgring, got off for causing Japan collision etc)., and Schumacher seemed very much on the wrong side of the stewards for much of 1994. It's all relative.
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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John,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Michael Schumacher is a grade A cheat mate, just accept it.

A cheat like Senna <bow>

maybe he should go into NASCAR <roflmao>

What does NASCAR have to do with anything?

<roflmao> <roflmao>

Senna did cheat but once again, no where near the same level as Schumi

Lets get it right, on his day, (not to speak ill of the dead) Senna could be a complete bastard and deserved his reputation for pushing the boundaries of acceptability. Just ask Mansell how many times Senna put him off the road.
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And, when did Schumacher ever tell his rival that he was going to be first into the first corner, and if he got in the way, there'd be a crash? I'd say that's pretty much the ultimate case of risking your opponent's life. Still, we'll forget Suzuka 1990, because it wasn't Schumacher that did it.

At least he had the courtesy to shunt people off at low speed corners.

<roflmao>

That assumed that Hill didn't crash into him first, of course.

<peek>
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Norbert,Aug 11 2009
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And, when did Schumacher ever tell his rival that he was going to be first into the first corner, and if he got in the way, there'd be a crash? I'd say that's pretty much the ultimate case of risking your opponent's life. Still, we'll forget Suzuka 1990, because it wasn't Schumacher that did it.

I've never really understood the line of argument that Senna having pushed other drivers off the road somehow excuses Schumacher for also doing so. As for "low-speed corners," tell that to Heinz-Harald Frentzen. :P

Let's face it, Senna pushed the bounds of acceptability with his driving on occasion. So too did Schumacher. So does Hamilton. But in none of these cases does it eclipse their mercurial talent (though, equally, their talent does not excuse their occasional transgressions). Though there is of course a case for saying that these guys were/are all talented enough not to need to cheat, and in that way it's sad that they seem(ed) to feel the need to.

Then again, the fact that these three individuals have together won half of the last twenty WDCs probably goes to show something. <think>
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Red Andy,Aug 11 2009
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I've never really understood the line of argument that Senna having pushed other drivers off the road somehow excuses Schumacher for also doing so.

It is not used to condone Schumacher but rather to highlight the hyprocay of those who ignore Senna's transgressions at the expense of Schumacher... no more no less
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Well, I'm really enjoying this on-topic Luca Badoer discussion, guys. <topic>

I believe most people judge Badoer's ability a bit unfairly by citing his record as the guy with most starts/no points record. When you consider the teams he drove for, none of them really had any right to get near the points so it is no shame.

It's been a really long time since he drove a car in anger.....but Wurz was out for nearly as long, and he picked up one, nearly two podiums in his comeback (yes he drove for McLaren in one race, but I don't count that). If Badoer keeps his head at Valencia, he may well get a point even if his pace isn't that good.
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Red Andy,Aug 11 2009
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AndyW76,Aug 11 2009
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Lets be fair, there was one point last year where Lewis seemed to do no right in the eyes of the stewards and there were more than a couple of heavy handed penalties. Conversely, what ever your opinion of schumi, he seemed to regularly get the rub of the green.

But conversely, Lewis got the rub of the green a lot in 2007 (push-started at the Nurburgring, got off for causing Japan collision etc)., and Schumacher seemed very much on the wrong side of the stewards for much of 1994. It's all relative.

I believe the SC was at fault in japan as it suddenly slowed at the chicane and lewis had to anchor on to stop himself going past it.

In 94, Benetton did seem to be whipping boys at times but they were lucky not to be kicked out of the championship for causing a near fatal fire though their own negligence and disregard for the rules.
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RJHSaints,Aug 11 2009
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Well, I'm really enjoying this on-topic Luca Badoer discussion, guys. <topic>

I believe most people judge Badoer's ability a bit unfairly by citing his record as the guy with most starts/no points record. When you consider the teams he drove for, none of them really had any right to get near the points so it is no shame.

It's been a really long time since he drove a car in anger.....but Wurz was out for nearly as long, and he picked up one, nearly two podiums in his comeback (yes he drove for McLaren in one race, but I don't count that). If Badoer keeps his head at Valencia, he may well get a point even if his pace isn't that good.

He was F3000 champion when it was an extremely competitive series, he’s a good driver no doubt about it
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Red Andy,Aug 11 2009
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Norbert,Aug 11 2009
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And, when did Schumacher ever tell his rival that he was going to be first into the first corner, and if he got in the way, there'd be a crash?  I'd say that's pretty much the ultimate case of risking your opponent's life.  Still, we'll forget Suzuka 1990, because it wasn't Schumacher that did it.

I've never really understood the line of argument that Senna having pushed other drivers off the road somehow excuses Schumacher for also doing so. As for "low-speed corners," tell that to Heinz-Harald Frentzen. :P

Let's face it, Senna pushed the bounds of acceptability with his driving on occasion. So too did Schumacher. So does Hamilton. But in none of these cases does it eclipse their mercurial talent (though, equally, their talent does not excuse their occasional transgressions). Though there is of course a case for saying that these guys were/are all talented enough not to need to cheat, and in that way it's sad that they seem(ed) to feel the need to.

Then again, the fact that these three individuals have together won half of the last twenty WDCs probably goes to show something. <think>

I wouldn't say that Lewis pushes the boundaries in the same way as Senna and Schumi did. Lewis does indeed drive aggressive but it is rare that he makes contact with other drivers. In fact in 2007 it was Alonso driving in to him (remember at Spa hwere Alonso pushed Lewis off the track at the start just after La Source) yet Lewis didn't complain. On the flip side, as much as Senna and Schumi both pulled dangerous manouvers, they were always the first to complain when the same was done back to them (Spa 98 and Magny Cours 92, anyone?)
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
10:43 AM
Rob,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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I fear Badoer is going to turn into a hate figure because of all this

Why? Did he cause the injury to Shumi's neck?

Don’t play dumb rob

He’s the man that’s taken the seat that Schumi was meant to have…

How do you think the fan club will enjoy that…?

I have no issue with it. Shumi is injured, why would anyone have issue with that?
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