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Schumacher out....
Topic Started: Aug 11 2009, 08:01 AM (1,762 Views)
stradlin24
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AndyW76,Aug 11 2009
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
09:28 AM
He doesn’t need a worm, just mention anything negative about Schumi or BMW and he bites. Like some kind of protection agency

Some people are like that about Lewis Hamilton.

<flirt>

Nah, some people just get upset when Lewis get slagged off no matter what he does (Like legitimately win a WDC yet still gets his talent questioned on here).

As opposed to other people not being allowed to have the same reaction when the same old tired crap gets peddled out about Schumacher. After all, when McLaren and Hamilton cheated, it can't be called cheating, and is was unfair for them to be caught, and even more unfair for them to be punished. Only Ferrari and Schumacher may be caught and/or punished, because they deserve it. No-one else does, because they aren't Ferrari.

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Slightly old ground but OK.....


Most people on here acknowledge MS's talents and greatness yet also have an objection to his disiplinary record. It is possible to feel like that. I think the general consensus was "Great but flawed". In the same vain, many Lewis fans accept that there has been a certain amount of controversy in his career (much not of his own doing) but he has proved his worth as a driver, yet some people will still not accept Lewis's talents.

That is the major difference, Schumi gets criticised for his (proven) sins on the track but is still accepted as a great champion but Lewis gets criticised for his teams actions off track and gets called a hopeless no talent, despite proving otherwise.

Agreed,

Schumacher is a proven cheat and crucially, an ON TRACK cheat who is willing to put at risk the safety of others as well

But his ‘fans’ still can’t accept that and all they want to talk about if his successes and go on as if his shameful tactics never happened (because in their mind they never did)

Plus, McLaren were punished for what they did, Schumacher was not
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AndyW76,Aug 11 2009
04:08 PM
... but Lewis gets criticised for his teams actions off track and gets called a hopeless no talent, despite proving otherwise.

I haven't seen many, if any, posts on here that assert that Hamilton is not an incredibly talented driver. Are you sure that this statement has any basis?

One of the incidents that Lewis was criticised for was running into the back of Kimi at a red light. There were several apologists around ready to defend him at the time, and also those that were critical of the young man. I believe that on balance the incident was treated fairly by the board as a whole.
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Plus, McLaren were punished for what they did, Schumacher was not

Surely Schumacher was punished for both Jerez and Monaco? You may say that the punishment amounted to a slap on the wrist in both cases, but there are others who would say that Macca's punishment for Spygate was also derisory, considering the evidence that came to light.

Macca apologists and Schumi apologists should probably both acknowledge that there is a high degree of symmetry in the arguments they present to attack the 'other side'. Or am I completely daft?
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AndyW76,Aug 11 2009
03:08 PM
That is the major difference, Schumi gets criticised for his (proven) sins on the track but is still accepted as a great champion but Lewis gets criticised for his teams actions off track and gets called a hopeless no talent, despite proving otherwise.

I don't believe I've ever called him hopeless or a no-talent. He is neither. However, like Schumacher he is a proven cheat (and like Ferrari, so are McLaren), but some people cannot accpet this and choose to call out people who choose to remind them.

The fact is that both drivers and their respctive teams have done wrong in the past, but some people choose only to remember some of the facts.
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PiquetFan,Aug 11 2009
03:24 PM
Macca apologists and Schumi apologists should probably both acknowledge that there is a high degree of symmetry in the arguments they present to attack the 'other side'. Or am I completely daft?

No, you're absolutely spot on. However, some people seem to think that Lewis and McLaren can be excused for cheating, on the track and off it, because they are British, and Ferrari and Schumacher are not.
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
03:13 PM
Schumacher is a proven cheat and crucially, an ON TRACK cheat who is willing to put at risk the safety of others as well

I refer you to Melbourne this year. I believe that was cheating, and that it happened on the track. Also, to the Nurburgring where Hamilton was lifted out of the gravel trap and placed back on the track, in direct contravention of the rules regarding cars that have become immobile.
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Plus, McLaren were punished for what they did, Schumacher was not

Surely Schumacher was punished for both Jerez and Monaco? You may say that the punishment amounted to a slap on the wrist in both cases, but there are others who would say that Macca's punishment for Spygate was also derisory, considering the evidence that came to light.

Macca apologists and Schumi apologists should probably both acknowledge that there is a high degree of symmetry in the arguments they present to attack the 'other side'. Or am I completely daft?

Michael Schumacher was not punished for Jerez at all. FACT
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Norbert,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Schumacher is a proven cheat and crucially, an ON TRACK cheat who is willing to put at risk the safety of others as well

I refer you to Melbourne this year. I believe that was cheating, and that it happened on the track. Also, to the Nurburgring where Hamilton was lifted out of the gravel trap and placed back on the track, in direct contravention of the rules regarding cars that have become immobile.

Didn’t Michael Schumacher also re-join the track after outside assistance once??

Oh I believe he did! But that doesn’t matter because it’s Michael Schumacher
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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PiquetFan,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Plus, McLaren were punished for what they did, Schumacher was not

Surely Schumacher was punished for both Jerez and Monaco? You may say that the punishment amounted to a slap on the wrist in both cases, but there are others who would say that Macca's punishment for Spygate was also derisory, considering the evidence that came to light.

Macca apologists and Schumi apologists should probably both acknowledge that there is a high degree of symmetry in the arguments they present to attack the 'other side'. Or am I completely daft?

Michael Schumacher was not punished for Jerez at all. FACT

Fiction.
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Norbert,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Schumacher is a proven cheat and crucially, an ON TRACK cheat who is willing to put at risk the safety of others as well

I refer you to Melbourne this year. I believe that was cheating, and that it happened on the track. Also, to the Nurburgring where Hamilton was lifted out of the gravel trap and placed back on the track, in direct contravention of the rules regarding cars that have become immobile.

Didn’t Michael Schumacher also re-join the track after outside assistance once??

Oh I believe he did! But that doesn’t matter because it’s Michael Schumacher

When?
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Michael Schumacher was not punished for Jerez at all. FACT

I disagree with you. Your statement is not a fact. A punishment was meted out, but it fell far short of what you believe his actions merited. There is a difference.
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PiquetFan,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Michael Schumacher was not punished for Jerez at all. FACT

I disagree with you. Your statement is not a fact. A punishment was meted out, but it fell far short of what you believe his actions merited. There is a difference.

A bit like Spygate and Liegate not being punishments.

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Norbert,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Norbert,Aug 11 2009
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stradlin24,Aug 11 2009
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Schumacher is a proven cheat and crucially, an ON TRACK cheat who is willing to put at risk the safety of others as well

I refer you to Melbourne this year. I believe that was cheating, and that it happened on the track. Also, to the Nurburgring where Hamilton was lifted out of the gravel trap and placed back on the track, in direct contravention of the rules regarding cars that have become immobile.

Didn’t Michael Schumacher also re-join the track after outside assistance once??

Oh I believe he did! But that doesn’t matter because it’s Michael Schumacher

When?

I can’t remember which race it was but he pushed back onto the track by marshals after spinning off and carried on

I’m not motivated enough to google it but it 100% happened
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Michael Schumacher was not punished for Jerez at all. FACT

I disagree with you. Your statement is not a fact. A punishment was meted out, but it fell far short of what you believe his actions merited. There is a difference.

But it wasn’t a punishment was it? He kept his records and his wins and he was free to race the first race in 1998 with NO restrictions

Please inform me of the details of this punishment…

The fact remains, there was no punishment!
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I'm only asking because I don't remember it, but seem to have a vague recollection that it may be true. It's a little difficult to remember exactly what happened in each of the 300 or so GPs I've watched. Hamilton is definitely the only driver I've ever seen craned back on though!
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