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Schumacher gets a day's testing
Topic Started: Jul 31 2009, 08:36 PM (2,103 Views)
Norbert
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Red Andy,Aug 1 2009
09:52 AM
Come on guys, no complaints. This is all perfectly within the rules:

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See? :P

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stradlin24,Jul 31 2009
10:07 PM
because it's a different rule for the cheating german, as it always has been

they are making up rules for scumacher as it goes along

and people wonder why he's hated so much

It's true that Schumacher has cheated at times during his career - but it's also true that for the most part he was punished for those indiscretions.

It's true also that Ferrari play a very political game.

For the above reasons I can't include Ferrari or Schumacher among my favourites but while I recognise the things that he did wrong I also recognise that he was one of the greatest drivers in F1 history. I am fascinated to see how well he will perform.

I don't wonder why he is hated so much ... I don't think he is ... but I do wonder why you are so angry?

my major concern is that people are celebrating the return of a cheat, a man that has 0 credibility as a person

and not just the dispicable moves on hill and JV. remember the Monaco qualifying where he parked it to bring out a yellow flag to prevent any driver beating his time?

ok, he got punished but that's beside the point, the fact that he even considered pulling such a move never mind executing it shows him to be nothing more than a peice of scum who has no regard for the fans, the championship or his fellow drivers

i don't buy this "win at all costs" crap that his fans come back with. winning is winning but attempting to win by blatent cheating is worse than anything

i think it's a very sad time for f1, it has taken a massive step backwards

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stradlin24,Aug 1 2009
11:47 AM

my major concern is that people are celebrating the return of a cheat, a man that has 0 credibility as a person

and not just the dispicable moves on hill and JV. remember the Monaco qualifying where he parked it to bring out a yellow flag to prevent any driver beating his time?

ok, he got punished but that's beside the point, the fact that he even considered pulling such a move never mind executing it shows him to be nothing more than a peice of scum who has no regard for the fans, the championship or his fellow drivers

i don't buy this "win at all costs" crap that his fans come back with. winning is winning but attempting to win by blatent cheating is worse than anything

i think it's a very sad time for f1, it has taken a massive step backwards

I do agree with some (but not all) of your underlying sentiment.

For example I agree that "winning at all costs" is not winning at all. I also agree that being punished for cheating is not the same as not having cheated in the first place.

Do I think that Schumacher has 0 credibility as a person? No. If pushed I'd probably agree that he should have one title less than he does but let's not forget that the vast majority of his results were achieved without cheating.

It's about seeing the whole picture; although he has undoubtedly blotted his copy book, nonetheless it remains one of the very finest copy books in the whole history of F1 copy books.

I used to be angry about the things he did too but life is too short to hold onto negative feelings for ever. If you consider Schumacher's career objectively, warts and all, it was still incredible. As a driver he was head and shoulders above his peers (with the probable exception of Senna, who was also no angel). As a competitor he crossed the line occasionally. As a man? well I have no idea but I'm sure his mother loves him!

I wish him well.

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Stradlin, does the cheat label apply equally to McLaren and Lewis for Spygate & Liegate then? <think>
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everythingoes,Aug 1 2009
12:34 PM
Stradlin, does the cheat label apply equally to McLaren and Lewis for Spygate & Liegate then? <think>

Let's not compare an one off (maybe two) incident with a recidivist, shall we?

Anyway the FIA has never applied the rules to the book, it has always been manipulated to suit the interest of F1 revenues. So no surprise here. And this theory of "you don't ask you don't get" not on, we are talking about F1 here and the safety of new/replacement drivers.

Although I don't rate Schumaker very high, I feel he had the guts to come back and risking being ridiculous. 10 marks to him.
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everythingoes,Aug 1 2009
12:34 PM
Stradlin, does the cheat label apply equally to McLaren and Lewis for Spygate & Liegate then? <think>

not even close, and you full well know it

Spygate had nothing to do with Hamilton (or Alonso) for that matter and was as much to do with failings withinn Ferrari then it was McLaren

Liegate was an unfortunate incident in which a young man was put upon by his employers to lie in front of stewards. I have condemned McLaren on many occasions for this...

But what does that have to do with anything on the race track?

I don't care whether the cars were travelling at 20mph or 220mph, Scumi has put lives at risk with his actions, what if his car had bounced on Hill's head in 94? what if the same happened to JV? What if someone ploughed into the back of him at Monaco? These aren't 'racing' incidents they are deliberate attempts to affect the result of a race or deliberate attempts to take out a rival driver and yet the calous little s**t had the nerve to accuse DC of trying to kill him. incredible

a nasty nasty man who would go any length (including killing a fellow pro) to get a victory. he has brought the sport into disrepute time and time and time again and has been able to get away with it becuase of the corrupt FIA and blinkered fans

and if we want to talk about teams cheating, remember the 94 Bennetton? if that car was ever legal then my mothers the queen. team and driver cheated their way through the whole year

i can't believe people worship this guy, he's nothing better then the brown stuff on the bottom of my boots
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The thing is that everyone is willing to explain away the misdoings of ones own favourite.

Yet its not accepted when its done by the other side.

If someone is happy to see a particular driver back, let it be. If you're not happy about it, thats fine. I think the points been made. But keeping on repeating it, using abusive language doesn't do anyone any good. Least of all the persons doing it. <thumbsup>
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stradlin24,Aug 1 2009
02:04 PM
everythingoes,Aug 1 2009
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Stradlin, does the cheat label apply equally to McLaren and Lewis for Spygate & Liegate then? <think>

not even close, and you full well know it

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everythingoes,Aug 1 2009
01:14 PM
The thing is that everyone is willing to explain away the misdoings of ones own favourite.

Yet its not accepted when its done by the other side.

That's so true.

I don't hear Senna being lambasted as a cheat willing to risk other drivers lives in the pursuit of victory. Yet he was prepared to run Prost off the track.

Prost in turn was happy enough to run Senna off the track. Yet I hear no cries about how his achievements are tainted.

I don't believe that Schumacher has done anything that F1 champions before him haven't done, including running illegal cars and punting rivals off the track.

Why is it that Schumacher should be singled out?
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Senna was quite open about what he was going to do, he wasn't scheming behind the scenes like scummi was

that doesn't make it much better but Prost knew what Senna was going to do, he could in theory have done something about it

schumi just went about crashing people with ignorant glee

not good times for F1 right now

and when people (including etg many times) have had lots to say about Lewis Hamilton and McLaren over the last year, it's a bit bloody rich to say people can't voice their honest about scummi

i don't get that attitude at all
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stradlin24,Aug 1 2009
02:40 PM

and when people (including etg many times) have had lots to say about Lewis Hamilton and McLaren over the last year, it's a bit bloody rich to say people can't voice their honest about scummi

i don't get that attitude at all

Well that's something I can't argue with .....

The only observation I might have is that the tone of your posts do come across as more angry or aggressive than perhaps you might have intended.

Yes people criticise Lewis and McLaren but I haven't, for example, heard anybody suggest that Lewis is a "callous little s**t" or "nothing better then the brown stuff on the bottom of my boots" as you did with MS.

I honestly think think a lot of the opposition comes not to the content of your posts but to the tone of them. Until this particular topic came along I thought that you had been expressing yourself in a much more intelligent and constructive manner than that for quite a while now.

I'm really not being funny but are you a very angry person in real life?
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stradlin24,Aug 1 2009
09:40 AM
that doesn't make it much better but Prost knew what Senna was going to do, he could in theory have done something about it

I think Prost would differ on that. He once said after a race (I think in Japan where Senna nearly forced Prost into the pit wall) "I knew he wanted to win the world title, but it wasn't until today I realized he was willign to die for it," or something very similar.


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and when people (including etg many times) have had lots to say about Lewis Hamilton and McLaren over the last year, it's a bit bloody rich to say people can't voice their honest about scummi

i don't get that attitude at all


No one is stopping you from having your opinion about Shumi, just be prepared to have others disagree the same way you have disagreed with what poeple have said about Lewis.
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The title of this thread, is erroneous. Schumacher did not get a day's testing, in a current F1 car.
The car he was using is owned and prepared by Ferrari Clienti department.

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Scuderia/Co...Pages/Cars.aspx

Any one of us could do exactly the same thing, driving the same car, fitted with the same tyres.
All we would need to do is pay for it.

Jamie Algeursauri could have done exactly the same as Michael Schumacher, all STR had to do was pay for it.
Had STR requested the same dispensation for JA it may well have been granted.
Did STR ask the FIA if JA could carry out a day's testing.

Ferrari have ASKED the FIA if Schumacher can have a days testing in the F60. They also ASKED FOTA if they had any objections to this test taking place.

FOTA members agreed that they had no objections, in some cases subject to certain conditions.

The FIA have not yet reponded to Ferrari's request

So I suggest that before crying favouritism, you check the facts, and the rules.
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sportsman,Aug 2 2009
10:36 AM
The title of this thread, is erroneous. Schumacher did not get a day's testing, in a current F1 car.
The car he was using is owned and prepared by Ferrari Clienti department.

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Scuderia/Co...Pages/Cars.aspx

Any one of us could do exactly the same thing, driving the same car, fitted with the same tyres.
All we would need to do is pay for it.

Jamie Algeursauri could have done exactly the same as Michael Schumacher, all STR had to do was pay for it.
Had STR requested the same dispensation for JA it may well have been granted.
Did STR ask the FIA if JA could carry out a day's testing.

Ferrari have ASKED the FIA if Schumacher can have a days testing in the F60. They also ASKED FOTA if they had any objections to this test taking place.

FOTA members agreed that they had no objections, in some cases subject to certain conditions.

The FIA have not yet reponded to Ferrari's request

So I suggest that before crying favouritism, you check the facts, and the rules.

Hooray for some common sense post at last.

As said, if you don't ask you don't get. Now lets see if FIA are going to risk letting a retired driver compete in a 200+mph race in a car he has never driven after they granted his super licence to compete.

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