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IMO MS will bring this to Ferrari in 2009
Topic Started: Jul 30 2009, 04:57 PM (674 Views)
Steelstallions
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jul 31 2009
03:37 PM
Steelstallions,Jul 31 2009
01:39 PM
Three of the last four championships not good enough for you since he retired? Missing out on all four by just one point?

One of those championships being won by the lazy ice-cream eater who does nothing for the team.

Keep changing the goal posts and I am sure you will eventually hear the answers you want to hear.

Fact remains, Kimi has rested on his 2007 laurels whilst Massa who was supposed to be the whipping boy worked his socks off never getting the lucky breaks.
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Steelstallions,Jul 31 2009
11:55 AM
Fact remains, Kimi has rested on his 2007 laurels whilst Massa who was supposed to be the whipping boy worked his socks off never getting the ANY lucky breaks.

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Steelstallions,Jul 31 2009
04:55 PM
Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jul 31 2009
03:37 PM
Steelstallions,Jul 31 2009
01:39 PM
Three of the last four championships not good enough for you since he retired? Missing out on all four by just one point?

One of those championships being won by the lazy ice-cream eater who does nothing for the team.

Keep changing the goal posts and I am sure you will eventually hear the answers you want to hear.

Fact remains, Kimi has rested on his 2007 laurels whilst Massa who was supposed to be the whipping boy worked his socks off never getting the lucky breaks.

apart from his title rival last year getting consistently destroyed by poor steward calls whilst Massa got away with murder

lucky breaks? Gimme a break
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jul 31 2009
12:17 PM
Whatever.

So, will any points that MS wins go to Massa's tally or does MS take over Massa's points.

The only thing that MS will keep from Felipe is his engine usage ......

Felipes points are his & no one else's....

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stradlin24,Jul 31 2009
01:22 PM
apart from his title rival last year getting consistently destroyed by poor steward calls whilst Massa got away with murder

lucky breaks? Gimme a break

I think constant is a bit overstating. He did get hit for the Canada pit lane incident, but so did Nicco, and it all honesty that was fair.

Spa is the only dubious call I remember and that was only a 6 point swing, had Massa's car hung on at Hungary or Ferrari not messed up his pitstop at Singapore Massa would have won the title.

Expecting that you will counter w/ Massa going off at Sepang or his dreadful day at Silverstone let me just say I am merely countering your point that Lewis was destroyed by Stewards calls, and to say Massa got away w/ murder is a bit wrong when Red Bull got a lesser penalty than Ferrari did for the same thing this year.
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Steelstallions,Jul 31 2009
04:55 PM
Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jul 31 2009
03:37 PM
Steelstallions,Jul 31 2009
01:39 PM
Three of the last four championships not good enough for you since he retired? Missing out on all four by just one point?

One of those championships being won by the lazy ice-cream eater who does nothing for the team.

Keep changing the goal posts and I am sure you will eventually hear the answers you want to hear.

Fact remains, Kimi has rested on his 2007 laurels whilst Massa who was supposed to be the whipping boy worked his socks off never getting the lucky breaks.

Massa ceased to be the whipping boy in 2007, when he was finally allowed to race his team mate. Kimi still managed to win the WDC in his first year with his new team, something the person he replaced had not been able to do for two years, despite having a tame team mate and a team built around him.

2008 was a horrible year for Ferrari, both drivers had a lot of difficulties thanks to car unreliability and crapness in the wet, as well as general uselessness in the pits and on the pit wall. Kimi got taken out by Lewis when he was more than likely going to win and crashed out of Spa while his team mate got bumped onto the top step when Lewis was disqualified. I'd call that a lucky break, wouldn't you? If anyone lacked for lucky breaks it was Kimi.

Massa drove his heart out and Kimi was gracious enough to let him by when he needed to, just as Massa did in 2007, but to say that Kimi rested on his laurels is not exactly being fair.

I think the problem a lot of MS fans have with his replacement is that he's not MS and they are very bitter about it.
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Personally I can't speak for other Schumacher fans, but I have no problems with his replacement, Schumacher retired and IMO it was time to do so... he is back (for one race maybe two) under extreme circumstances and had Brawn GP built a stronger car, Massa would be preparing to race and Schumacher would be doing whatever it is he does in retirement.
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John,Aug 3 2009
02:54 PM
Personally I can't speak for other Schumacher fans, but I have no problems with his replacement, Schumacher retired and IMO it was time to do so... he is back (for one race maybe two) under extreme circumstances and had Brawn GP built a stronger car, Massa would be preparing to race and Schumacher would be doing whatever it is he does in retirement.

It's a bit unfair to blame Brawn. Yes, the car failed and an errant part ended up striking Massa, but how do you know Brawn made the part themselves? It couldhave come from a supplier who made a minute error in it's manufacture. There may have been a minor flaw in the metal the failed bolt was made from. Brawn himself said that they'd been using the same bits all season and never once had an issue. I'm not saying that they don't need to take a bloody good look just to make sure there aren't any inherant weaknesses in the design that can cause it to fail under extreme loads, but basically saying that Brawn's design was the root cause of Massa's injury is a gross case of major over-simplification, whcih could be countered by saying it's the FIA's fault for doing away with single-car quali.

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I meant no blame be levied at Brawn... badly worded, what I was implying was that had the Brawn not failed Schumacher would still be a retired F1 driver.

As a fan of the guy I am delighted at his unexpected return but my point was I accepted his retirement and have no problems with his replacement which was the comment I was replying to.
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John,Aug 3 2009
03:35 PM
I meant no blame be levied at Brawn... badly worded, what I was implying was that had the Brawn not failed Schumacher would still be a retired F1 driver.

As a fan of the guy I am delighted at his unexpected return but my point was I accepted his retirement and have no problems with his replacement which was the comment I was replying to.

I know its a hard call M Schumacher coming back.

I do not like the fact that he is coming back because Massa is hurt but i just find it amazing he has decided to put himself back into F1 and take a risk.

Hope it pays off <thumbsup>
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given the recent trend of recruiting drivers just out of nappies, it would be nice for a 40+ yr old to shake up the grid and ironically give Rubens some hope...
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