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BMW on the way out
Topic Started: Jul 29 2009, 05:56 AM (921 Views)
Bear
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One team less for Rosberg to consider. Looks like a lot of drivers will move in 2010.
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GordonB,Jul 29 2009
09:43 AM
Good point. Prodrive anyone? <think>

Prodrive blotted their copybook with the FIA by failing to turn up in 2008. My guess is that they will be last on the shortlist for an F1 spot. Unless they buy BMW, of course, though even that's not certain as you can't simply buy an existing entry.
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I reckon Mario and Sauber might get together to buy the team from BMW.
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Will BMW be able to do (to Sauber ) what Honda did to Brawn I wonder ... i.e .compete next year using a different name using the same resources ..
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Red Andy,Jul 29 2009
09:31 AM
GordonB,Jul 29 2009
09:43 AM
Good point. Prodrive anyone?  <think>

Prodrive blotted their copybook with the FIA by failing to turn up in 2008. My guess is that they will be last on the shortlist for an F1 spot. Unless they buy BMW, of course, though even that's not certain as you can't simply buy an existing entry.

Au contraire.

FIA blotted their copybook with Prodrive in 2008 by failing to win Williams' legal challenge to allowing customer chassis to be sold to them, which they had been absolutely transparently clear to FIA about right from the very start.

I hardly think that's something the FIA can hold against them. I just think that Max doesn't like Dave Richards very much.
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Will Brawn buy BMW as buying Honda worked for them <sarcasm>

Real shame that we are losing BMW but i am not surprised.

Kubica would be a GREAT signing for any team.

Heidfeld would also be great for a new team coming into F1.

Could BMW give Kubica a release to drive for Ferrari until the end of the season??
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sad to see any team pull out but if we had to lose one team, im glad it was BMW that went. Apart from Heidfeld, there was nothing in the team or about it which wanted me to see them do well.

It also shows how fragile the manufacture's teams are - lasck of success after 3 years and they take their ball home.
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Where's John ?

at the very least he'll have to get a new sig.

at worst, well, I dread to think! <yikes>
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Stupid stupid stupid.

This really disgusts me.

First off it was BMW who increased costs for everyone by insisting on pushing ahead with KERS when, facing with global meltdown, other teams were ready to abandon it. Second it was the teams themselves, including BMW, who blocked the FIA cost-cutting measures. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

This also illustrates perfectly why a FOTA series run by the teams would never have been sustainable long term. (Though in the short term it would probably have caused huge damage to f1 by poaching the best drivers as well as household names like Ferrari and Mclaren.)

I am convinced that only through privateers can the sport be preserved. Hopefully the 3 new teams can establish themselves on the grid, because Renault and Toyota can't be trusted to stay beyond 2012.
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Iberiafromoz,Jul 29 2009
09:12 AM
sportsman,Jul 29 2009
08:51 AM
My bet for the replacement team would be Epsilon Euskadi

I second that Postman. IMO they should have been there in lieu of Campos et all.

BMW quitting is a very sad story, Toyota could follow. I think the FIA has stired much too much the grid with these rules changes and interpretation and increase the cost if anything.

Postman <yikes>
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This is the most telling part of their statement. BMW and Mercedes for that matter are facing a very uncertain future.
At present BMW make some of the most polluting cars available in the market. All car manufacturers are facing ever more stringent Co2 emissions and both BMW and Mercedes are the most vocal opponents.
BMW have taken this fact and partially based their decision to pull out of F1. Cost and lack of success played a part, of course.
But it is my opinion that the enviromental lobbies also played their part.

"Premium will increasingly be defined in terms of sustainability and environmental compatibility. This is an area in which we want to remain in the lead. In line with our Strategy Number ONE, we are continually reviewing all projects and initiatives to check them for future viability and sustainability. Our Formula 1 campaign is thus less a key promoter for us.
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Well, Bob Kubica could always move to Britain and become a builder.
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Bob the Builder?

<doh>
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sportsman,Jul 29 2009
01:10 PM
This is the most telling part of their statement. BMW and Mercedes for that matter are facing a very uncertain future.
At present BMW make some of the most polluting cars available in the market. All car manufacturers are facing ever more stringent Co2 emissions and both BMW and Mercedes are the most vocal opponents.
BMW have taken this fact and partially based their decision to pull out of F1. Cost and lack of success played a part, of course.
But it is my opinion that the enviromental lobbies also played their part.

"Premium will increasingly be defined in terms of sustainability and environmental compatibility. This is an area in which we want to remain in the lead. In line with our Strategy Number ONE, we are continually reviewing all projects and initiatives to check them for future viability and sustainability. Our Formula 1 campaign is thus less a key promoter for us.

M cars aside .......BMW actually make some of the least polluting cars on the market ....due to their efficient engines & stop start technology

<rolleyes>
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That's true enough. Their diesels are very good. But BMW's main market is the top of the range luxury saloons.
In absolute terms exhaust emissions per bhp are amongst the best avaible. But they do make and sell mostly higher performance and spec cars.
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