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Renault out of Valencia
Topic Started: Jul 26 2009, 05:03 PM (1,016 Views)
Rob
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They could have taken earned points. Alonso was on for a podium take away 6 WCC points and another 6 just to really screw them.
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Lex,Jul 27 2009
07:08 PM
No one has mentioned that Nando was released before all mechanics had indicated all clear.

That is a huge failure in their system.

True, but no more of a failure than Massa being released too early at Singapore, and we know the carnage that caused. But there was no penalty for Massa, other than a drive-through because he drove into the path of Sutil.

I think Renault could have been docked WCC points for the next few races or something, banning them outright is both harsh and commercially very stupid.
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True, but in the past months stupidity and F1 have been hand in glove
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Red Andy,Jul 27 2009
07:56 PM
Lex,Jul 27 2009
07:08 PM
No one has mentioned that Nando was released before all mechanics had indicated all clear.

That is a huge failure in their system.

True, but no more of a failure than Massa being released too early at Singapore, and we know the carnage that caused. But there was no penalty for Massa, other than a drive-through because he drove into the path of Sutil.

I think Renault could have been docked WCC points for the next few races or something, banning them outright is both harsh and commercially very stupid.

Massa didn't get a drive through at Valencia - he got a $10,000 fine.

Lewis was the one who got a "retrospective" drive through after Spa which equals a 25 second penalty.

As it turned out in Valencia, Massa was about 30 seconds ahead of Lewis so even if he'd been given a retrospective 25 seconds, he still would have won.
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Red Andy,Jul 27 2009
08:56 PM
True, but no more of a failure than Massa being released too early at Singapore, and we know the carnage that caused.

Erm, I presume that's subtle sarcasm?

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GordonB,Jul 28 2009
10:43 AM
Massa didn't get a drive through at Valencia - he got a $10,000 fine.

Lewis was the one who got a "retrospective" drive through after Spa which equals a 25 second penalty.

As it turned out in Valencia, Massa was about 30 seconds ahead of Lewis so even if he'd been given a retrospective 25 seconds, he still would have won.

Notice I said Singapore, not Valencia. Massa was fined at Valencia when he was released into Sutil's path, but at Singapore the same thing happened and he got a drive-through. Mostly the incident escaped notice, of course, because Massa was dragging his fuel hose along at the time,
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Also Massa only finished around 10 seconds ahead of Hamilton - hence why the decision not to penalise was so controversial. Although as I recall, Massa did absolutely nothing wrong in that incident or the one in Singapore, so it should have been the team that recieved any penalty, not him.
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Valencia: only 30.000 tickets sold (of 75.000)

Bernie -among others- will lose money.
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RJHSaints,Jul 28 2009
02:39 PM
Also Massa only finished around 10 seconds ahead of Hamilton - hence why the decision not to penalise was so controversial. Although as I recall, Massa did absolutely nothing wrong in that incident or the one in Singapore, so it should have been the team that recieved any penalty, not him.

disagree with the last point

ferrari above all teams (and Ferrari fans) have always claimed F1 is a team sport, that was the way they justified team orders to assist MS all the time

So, you win as a team and you lose as a team, fair is fair.


of course, there was a clear inconsistency in penalties last season, the only consistency being it played into Ferrari’s hands every time
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I'm saying that the team shoul have been fined or lost constructor's points instead. Considering how close he championship was, a single point would have made the difference and it would have been extremely harsh to lose on the basis of something he had no control over.
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Red Andy,Jul 27 2009, 07:56 I think Renault could have been docked WCC points for the next few races or something
banning them outright is both harsh and commercially very stupid.[/QUOTE

That would have been the best solution.
Allow Renault to race, but not accumumalate any further WCC points for the next five races.
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