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Renault out of Valencia
Topic Started: Jul 26 2009, 05:03 PM (1,019 Views)
ELUSIVEJIM
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Sorry but WHY punish the drivers???

Give Renault a large fine and do not allow them to score constructors point in Spain but thats it.

I do not understand why the drivers are being punished by this team mistake <grrr>

Saying that Piquet would prob not be there anyway :s
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ELUSIVEJIM,Jul 26 2009
11:54 PM
Sorry but WHY punish the drivers???


I recall Alonso saying in the Spanish media that to be the FIA president you don't have to be an academic. At that time I really thaught Max will get him. Time has come...and Flav leading the FOTA revolt.

Alonso and Piquet had nothing to do with this incident. Vettel did drive with a lose wheel and didn't get ban. Brawn didn't get punish for a dubious suspension design that could almost killed Massa...

I wonder if Valencia crowd will be that big this time around.
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ELUSIVEJIM,Jul 26 2009
06:54 PM
Sorry but WHY punish the drivers???

Give Renault a large fine and do not allow them to score constructors point in Spain but thats it.

I do not understand why the drivers are being punished by this team mistake <grrr>


They did the same to McLaren for the Ausie GP.
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Valencia withou Alonso, ING...? Anyway due to an expected strong sponsors/TV response probably leaded by Bernie(money talk) the FIA will do a U turn on this one and allow Renault to race.
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If FIA are so committed to safety, why didn't they black flag Alonso when the whole 600 million viewers could see he had a loose wheel? They didn't even black flag him when the wheel was hanging off or flying through the air with him still a distance from the pits?

If this were a movie then Alonso would be racing with Ferrari from next race, but I doubt commercially they could do that. Which sponsors would take precedent on the the cars frame?

That said, Flavio might let him race just to stick two fingers up at FIA
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Iberiafromoz,Jul 27 2009
03:38 AM

Brawn didn't get punish for a dubious suspension design that could almost killed Massa...

WTF????!!!!!

Dubious??

You may as well say it was Ferrari's fault for releasing Massa at the wrong time!!
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Steelstallions,Jul 27 2009
06:55 AM
If FIA are so committed to safety, why didn't they black flag Alonso when the whole 600 million viewers could see he had a loose wheel? They didn't even black flag him when the wheel was hanging off or flying through the air with him still a distance from the pits?

Erm, cos it would have fallen off anyway? The only place (correct me if I'm wrong) that displays the black flag to the driver is the flag stand at the start/finish line. So even if they had decided to force him to pit, he'd still have done the same entire lap with the wobbly wheel, and the same result would have occurred.

Vettel was not black flagged because the wheel/suspension was damaged on the track, not because the wheel wasn't bolted on right. He was also running under yellow flags. I'm quite sure that the stewards would have told Red Bull that if he was still on track when the green flag was due out, that he'd be slung out of the race.
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ELUSIVEJIM,Jul 27 2009
12:54 AM
Sorry but WHY punish the drivers???

Give Renault a large fine and do not allow them to score constructors point in Spain but thats it.

I do not understand why the drivers are being punished by this team mistake <grrr>

Saying that Piquet would prob not be there anyway :s

The trouble is that if they let the drivers drive the race, the cars get seen, the sponsors get seen, and nothing will seem untoward to a great deal of the audience. If they aren't there, then people might ask why. It may seem rather harsh on the drivers, but at the end of the day this is a team sport as well as an individual one.
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Norbert,Jul 27 2009
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ELUSIVEJIM,Jul 27 2009
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Sorry but WHY punish the drivers???

Give Renault a large fine and do not allow them to score constructors point in Spain but thats it.

I do not understand why the drivers are being punished by this team mistake  <grrr>

Saying that Piquet would prob not be there anyway  :s

The trouble is that if they let the drivers drive the race, the cars get seen, the sponsors get seen, and nothing will seem untoward to a great deal of the audience. If they aren't there, then people might ask why. It may seem rather harsh on the drivers, but at the end of the day this is a team sport as well as an individual one.

Good point, the driver is part of the team so to speak. If the team designs an unreliable engine then the driver loses his potential points finish when said engine blows up on the main straight. Not the driver's fault of course, but that's racing. You win/lose together.

On the other hand I agree driver-exceptions can be made in certain cases where penalties are applied. So I am conflicted on this one.
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Anyone else think this is the FIA getting at Flavio? After all, isn't Flavio the head of FOTA, and as we all know, FOTA and the FIA are not the bestest of buddies.
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Lord Tau,Jul 27 2009
02:04 PM
Anyone else think this is the FIA getting at Flavio? After all, isn't Flavio the head of FOTA, and as we all know, FOTA and the FIA are not the bestest of buddies.

I agree. They ( Max & his crony Donelly) saw an opportunity to shaft Renault, in light of recent events with Surtees and Massa, and took it.

A race suspension is a very harsh penalty. Even if the team knew the wheel hadn't been screwed on right, they wouldn't have known how soon, if at all it would have flown off. They must have been hoping it would stay on long enough for Alonso to go around one lap and call him back in to tighten it.
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Harsh!!

and silly, cause Fonsie is out of Valencia!

Using that levle of stewarding, that harshness should mean...\

- Webber; at least drive-thru for pitlane
- kimi for Vettel

Just those two i can think of now, but there were many more.

Hope the penalty is overtruned.

was a v. exciting race with fonsie and Hammy
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Please note - it was the RACE STEWARDS who decided that Renault had broken the rules, subsequently investigated and then banned Renault from the next race. The FIA had nothing to do with it directly. However, the team can appeal to the FIA or presumably WMSC. It all goes back to the 'local stewards' thing. After all, it was they who DQ'd Hamilton at Spa, not FIA themselves. Personally, I think that all the races should be stewarded by the same team, just to lose the inconsistency in investigations and penalties.
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Poor Fonzie.

Didn't the same thing happen to him in 2006 at this same track???
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Sorry but the FIA need to really watch themselves.

Look how bad the stands were in Hungry??

Moto Gp in Britian was PACKED with fans and ex F1 drivers

I really think that circuits like Hungry will not hold F1 anymore as they will be making a large loss

To ban Alonso at his home Gp will make sure under 50% of the circuit will be full

Great work FIA just kill the sport when it needs the money.

I am sure if it is for Renault to not make any money they could have the cars appear without sponsorship for one race
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