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Will today make Barichello's mind up?
Topic Started: Jul 25 2009, 05:59 PM (271 Views)
styeffo
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Having read earlier in the week that RB is feeling 95% happy about F1, and sometimes wonders why he continues i wonder will today's events over which Rube had no control maybe make him feel moreso it's time to call it a day?

What do you folks think?
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Brave_Lee_Flea
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I think Rubens is a rather silly man with no more than moderate talent compared to his peers.

I really don't care what he does just so long as he stops throwing his toys out of the pram and generally behaving like a spoilt child. I don't think his leaving would be much of a loss to F1 and I can't think he'd be overly hard to replace.

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I think that's an extremely harsh assessment.

My own feeling is that Rubens is a great talent, always has been, but not at the very top level. And, of course, he's not getting any younger. I think he might want to stick around for an extra season, just to break the 300 mark for GP starts, but then he can't be too happy with what has happened at Brawn this season and I doubt any other team would take him.

I don't think today's events will be decisive for Rubens, but it will certainly be factored into his eventual decision. If that decision is his to make.
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I agree Andy, Rubeo is a very talented driver who may have made a poor decision to spend his best years as Schumi's rear gunner.

He can still kick it!
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Red Andy,Jul 25 2009
02:31 PM
I don't think today's events will be decisive for Rubens, but it will certainly be factored into his eventual decision. If that decision is his to make.

Yes, that is the question. If it is his decision or if the decision will be made by the team.
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Red Andy,Jul 25 2009
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I think that's an extremely harsh assessment.

My own feeling is that Rubens is a great talent, always has been, but not at the very top level.


I could never agree that Rubens was a "great talent", maybe I was a bit harsh but it's not that far from the truth.

Compared to mere mortals he is a fantastic talent.

Compared to his peers he's no better than middling, IMO.

I remember when he arrived at Stewart, Jackie saying that Rubens was not mentally very strong and that he needed encouragement and cuddles in order to perform. For me that's not the sign of a great talent. I don't think he has yet learned to manage his mindset even now, hence the strops he's been throwing this season.

He was, at his best, the perfect No 2. - which is no mean achievement, not many people in the world get to drive an F1 car. His aspirations to be more than that will ultimately leave him disappointed.
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In the lower formulae, BR was considered to be the next Ayrton Senna. That is a hell of a thing to live up to and, if you ever saw him drive in the junior formulae, you would recognise that he was a great talent, though this is no garrantee of success (look at JJ Lettho).

The thing is that the only time he got his big chance his team mate was Schumacher and he was pretty much held on a tight leash. Those 6 years should have been the pinicle of his career but they were wastedand he'll never get them back. Of course, he can't complain because he went to and stayed at Ferrari by his own choice. If he had taken control of his destiny and left at the end of 2002 (the year he actually realised his role in the team) he could have had more success and be in a better position now but he chose money over oportunity.
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AndyW76,Jul 26 2009
08:09 AM

If he had taken control of his destiny and left at the end of 2002 (the year he actually realised his role in the team) he could have had more success and be in a better position now but he chose money over oportunity.


To be honest Ferrari and Schumacher were so good, so dominant, that I don't think Rubens would have had more success no matter what team he was with during that period.

Maybe if Schumacher had not been around I'd be saying something different about Rubens but I honestly don't think so. Sir Jackie's comments regarding his mentality have remained with me throughout Rubens career and I haven't really seen any sign of them being incorrect.

The thing is the great talents do have mind-management skills and it is part of the requirement for the job. It's like DC - the only weakness in his arsenal was his mind; on his day DC was a match for anyone - as is Rubens - but that's not enough.
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I could never agree that Rubens was a "great talent", maybe I was a bit harsh but it's not that far from the truth.

Compared to mere mortals he is a fantastic talent.

Compared to his peers he's no better than middling, IMO.

I remember when he arrived at Stewart, Jackie saying that Rubens was not mentally very strong and that he needed encouragement and cuddles in order to perform. For me that's not the sign of a great talent. I don't think he has yet learned to manage his mindset even now, hence the strops he's been throwing this season.

He was, at his best, the perfect No 2. - which is no mean achievement, not many people in the world get to drive an F1 car. His aspirations to be more than that will ultimately leave him disappointed.

I think the old "Latin temperament" cliche goes a long way to explaining Rubens' outbursts this season. We have seen that after he has had a chance to talk things through with the team he calms down - though I'm of the opinion that Rubens is generally pretty spot on with what he says in the first place, and the Brawn spin machine is designed to shut him up pretty quick.

The idea that Rubens is talented on track but lacks mental strength is something we have seen in other drivers before - most notably, Massa, and that didn't stop him fighting for the championship last season, though as I said at the time that may have been partly down to his dealing with his psychological issues.

Let's not forget that in Honda's doldrum years Rubens was at least a match for Button, who is now being marked by some as one of the top three drivers currently in F1. Even now Rubens is beginning to get on terms with Jenson again, particularly in qualifying.

And I agree that Rubens will be disappointed with his lot at the end of his long career - but that will be because he believes he was good enough to be world champion but never quite got there, not because he has realised he wasn't good enough to win the title.
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In the pre-race buildup Rubens more or less said he'd retire at the end of this season.

I guess that leaves Bruno Senna as Button's team mate for 2010?

Or will Alonso spend 2010 waiting for his alleged seat at Ferrari in a Brawn???
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when I hear the likes of Kimi and Rubens talk about possible retirement it sounds like a case of 'I'm going to jump before I'm pushed'.
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