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Topic Started: Jun 12 2009, 10:02 AM (480 Views)
TheCompleteGuitarist
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More news on prodrive here

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_new...es_art_id=38163
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John
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Petra Lead,Jun 12 2009
01:14 PM
Any team with a Cosworth motor in the back will be my second team, after Williams.

If TOYOTA pull the plug... then Williams might be Cosworth powered... again
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Rob
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John,Jun 12 2009
05:20 AM
The FIA press release also has no '*' after either the Ferrar, RBR and STR teams so it seems their entry is seen by the FIA as being unconditional... something Ferrari themselves has refuted

I was wondering about that....
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Red Andy
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GordonB,Jun 12 2009
01:06 PM
Pity about Prodrive, though :(

Not really. I can see why the FIA chose not to include them. Once bitten....
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GordonB
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Red Andy,Jun 12 2009
04:02 PM
GordonB,Jun 12 2009
01:06 PM
Pity about Prodrive, though  :(

Not really. I can see why the FIA chose not to include them. Once bitten....

I don't think that's particularly fair.

Prodrive entered based on the FIA's assurance that they would be allowed to be a "customer car" - with the intention that they would buy stuff off McLaren.

That was met with a legal challenge from Williams, (rightly) fearing that if people could just buy and run a McLaren, then they wouldn't stand a chance.

I believe that Prodrive had to put up a large ($millions) deposit, and I'm pretty sure they didn't get it all back.

None of this was Prodrive's fault. It was the FIA's fault for not making the situation watertight. If anyone is "owed" an entry I would have thought it would be Prodrive.
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Red Andy
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Nobody forced Prodrive to go down the customer car route. The legalisation of customer cars was never set in stone and it was Prodrive's fault for not exercising caution. They would have been far better advised to have started work on building their own car rather than cavalierly assuming they could buy one shortly before the season began.

And I think that the requirement for teams to pay a deposit was abandoned for 2008, precisely because the FIA wanted a new team to enter for that year and fill the grid.
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flood1
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You may be exactly right Red One about why Prodrive did not get a berth, but I think we would all agree that if their previous application was employed as the raison d'etre to exclude them today, then that analysis would be unfair.

Prodrive acted and entered at that time under a scenario mooted by the FIA. It included customer cars, but customer cars were not allowed in the the final analysis, mostly due to William's legal challenge.

They entered in good faith, were excluded after a rethink due to legal challenges, and did no more or no less than they were required to do under the proposed rules.

Whether we think they showed an unacceptable hubris is immaterial. They entered under the rules proposed by the FIA.

If today they were excluded as a result of that entry, it would be an error on the part of the FIA. But, I accept that the FIA may have considered that when making their choices. But, if so, I can find no reasonable thesis to support their action.
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Brave_Lee_Flea
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I'm with Flood & Gordon on this one.
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ELUSIVEJIM
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Why not have a bigger grid and let all teams join??

If not possible why not have all the teams in but with only one car per team to save cost as they are not going to win any constructors in year one.

This way the FIA can see if the teams are going to stay in F1 after there first year
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ELUSIVEJIM,Jun 13 2009
04:00 PM
Why not have a bigger grid and let all teams join??

If not possible why not have all the teams in but with only one car per team to save cost as they are not going to win any constructors in year one.

This way the FIA can see if the teams are going to stay in F1 after there first year

the number of garages in the pit lane and other such logistics probably make that unworkable.
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TheCompleteGuitarist
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Petra Lead,Jun 13 2009
05:19 PM
ELUSIVEJIM,Jun 13 2009
04:00 PM
Why not have a bigger grid and let all teams join??

If not possible why not have all the teams in but with only one car per team to save cost as they are not going to win any constructors in year one.

This way the FIA can see if the teams are going to stay in F1 after there first year

the number of garages in the pit lane and other such logistics probably make that unworkable.

They could always put up some tents, in a cost cutting bid that is
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Red Andy
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I'd like to see an unlimited number of entries, with qualifying (and pre-qualifying if necessary) reducing the grid down to 26 cars for the race. But sponsorship and logistics mean that this is unlikely to happen.
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