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| Mark Webber - Most underated driver | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 8 2009, 08:39 PM (911 Views) | |
| TheCompleteGuitarist | Jun 9 2009, 05:44 PM Post #31 |
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yes I remember that, but it was hardly great judgement, probably just a huge amount of luck.
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| Rob | Jun 9 2009, 06:01 PM Post #32 |
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Good weatherman. |
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| Hissing Sid | Jun 9 2009, 08:57 PM Post #33 |
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+1
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| dazzerjp | Jun 10 2009, 01:56 AM Post #34 |
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And for me, at the moment, Vettel has the air of Alesi. However, I have always disliked Webber since his Jag days, and whilst he wouldnt make my list of the top 10 favorite drivers of the current batch, he is driving a very mature drive this year. In that, his teammate is getting the limelight, the addulation; but Webber is |
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| Lord Tau | Jun 10 2009, 07:44 AM Post #35 |
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Ha! I remember thinking at the start "hee hee, the new Spyker guy's wussed out and is going to start from the pits!" |
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| Monty | Jun 10 2009, 10:29 AM Post #36 |
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Likewise Webber, neither have won any GP's both have never had top class cars, both were very similarly matched when they were teamates. They are very similar. |
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| Craze_b0i | Jun 10 2009, 03:34 PM Post #37 |
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Returning to the Webber argument, I have consistently put Webber in my top 10 drivers of each season. Usually around 6th or 7th I believe. I think people often pay too close attention to the championship table, which doesn't account for car performance or reliability issues. So I agree that he has been underated. Just as Button was underated in the years when Honda were screwing up. |
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| RJHSaints | Jun 10 2009, 03:49 PM Post #38 |
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Rams, I'd make it 3-2 to Vettel rather than 4-1 to Webber this year. In Spain, Webber only beat Vettel because Massa's supreme defensive driving and tactical advantage held him up long enough for Webber to take advantage and beat Vettel in the race. In Turkey, too, I feel there was a question mark because Vettel switched to a three-stop. Had he stuck with a two-stop he would almost certainly have beaten Webber. OK, the results will show that Webber finished ahead of Vettel in both races but in determining who was actually the better driver over the course of the weekend, it seems harsh to judge on results which were manufactured by conditions largely outside the drivers' control. That aside I tend to agree that Webber is under-rated by many......he has beaten every team-mate he's ever had, with the possible exception of Heidfeld with whom he was nip-and-tuck, and could well beat Vettel in the points this year, even in he is probably not as quick. But also let's remember the adversity he has overcome to even be here at the moment, he always manages to perform in difficult circumstances. For me, that makes him a better all-round driver than our current championship leader, with whom you compared him at the start of this thread. |
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| GordonB | Jun 10 2009, 04:10 PM Post #39 |
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I don't wish to be picky (all right, yes I do), but Vettel was always on a 3 stop, Webber was always on a 2 stop. Red Bull were criticised for NOT switching Vettel to a 2 stop when he went behind on the first lap - they've since defended that by saying it was their only chance for a win, and it didn't cost the team any points, it just cost Vettel his 2nd place. From the team's point of view, I think they were right. |
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| RJHSaints | Jun 10 2009, 04:45 PM Post #40 |
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OK, but the points still stands (roughly). Vettel was quicker, and on equal strategies would probably have beaten Webber, indeed had he been able to get ahead of Button might still have beaten Webber. Although I guess he did make the mistake on the first lap which probably ws the deciding factor in losing him the race. Still, I think Vettel has generally had the upper hand this year. |
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| GordonB | Jun 10 2009, 05:00 PM Post #41 |
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Thoroughly agree with that!
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| Rams | Jun 10 2009, 05:01 PM Post #42 |
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LOL. Come on, he had KERS and Barcelona sees one overtaking manourve every 10 years. Gilles Villeneuve at Spain, THAT was supreme defenisve driving. |
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| Hissing Sid | Jun 10 2009, 08:06 PM Post #43 |
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Fuel corrected Webber would have been ahead of Vettel in quali...I think Webber did a great job last weekend ... When Webber finished ahead of Seb in Barcelona , James Allen said you could have cut the atmosphere with a knife as the favoured son was beaten by his teammate ... As both drivers are very close on points it will be interesting to see if there are any team orders coming into play for the rest of the season as they take the battle to Brawn....?
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| dazzerjp | Jun 11 2009, 03:35 AM Post #44 |
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... which is one of Mark's strongest attributes. He wont lie down and take up the a----, excuse my French, a la Rubens, Heikki. I cant see Webber ever playing second fiddle. |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Jun 11 2009, 08:55 AM Post #45 |
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It just adds fuel to the assertion that Vettel is not quite the amazing wunderkind that he appeared to be at STR if he's struggling to dominate a journeyman like Webber.
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yes I remember that, but it was hardly great judgement, probably just a huge amount of luck.







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