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| FOTA vs F1; Which would you watch? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 4 2009, 10:45 AM (762 Views) | |
| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Jun 4 2009, 10:45 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75796 Max has thrown down the gauntlet to FOTA and told them to go off and have their own series, presumaby that means that the 'new' entrants for 2010 would remain in F1 and there'd be a different series for the 9 teams who have provisionally entered for 2010. Who would you rather watch? FOTA Series with Ferrari, Mclaren, Brawn, etc. no budget cap no stupid squabbles, NO MAX MOSELY... the best of the best or an F1 series with a 40Million budget cap featuring teams you've never heard of being run by a madman. |
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| Whity | Jun 4 2009, 11:00 AM Post #2 |
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If they were both on free to air tv i would watch both probably - however if i had to choose one it would be the FOTA series. |
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| John | Jun 4 2009, 11:02 AM Post #3 |
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That is a loaded question... as I believe Brawn, Force India and McLaren would not join a FOTA walkout... However If they did leave and If they did create a rival series then Yes I personally would be more inclined to watch the FOTA series |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Jun 4 2009, 11:24 AM Post #4 |
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It would surely not be possible to have all the entrants for 2010 with 2 cars each on the grid, would it? There'd be about 40 cars, wouldn't there? Either each team would have only one car or we'd have to have qualifying where only the first 20 cars actually get to race, or there'd be teams whose entries would be rejected. How long would the pit lane have to be to accommodate all the teams??? Or am I missing something (probably). |
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| John | Jun 4 2009, 11:31 AM Post #5 |
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The FIA will 'allocate' the maximum available grid slots so not every team who has submitted an entry will get a slot... The FIA has said no existing team is automatically given a 2010 entry so they could actually reject Ferrari. Renault, TOYOTA and BMW's entry in favour of new teams so in effect the FOTA teams won't have a choice to leave, as you cannot leave something you are no in |
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| everythingoes | Jun 4 2009, 11:33 AM Post #6 |
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Alien, what you, & probably all of us are missing, is that most of these new teams are bloody fake entries not worth the paper they have been submitted on. Most will have been signed by Max himself. The megalomaniac is out to prove a point! ![]() If the deadline was May 29th, how come 3 new entries have been submitted?
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| John | Jun 4 2009, 11:36 AM Post #7 |
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I too was thinking that... unless they where submitted by the May 29th deadline but only now being made public... but even so very strange I must say |
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| Alien_SAP_Fiend | Jun 4 2009, 01:05 PM Post #8 |
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One of them's March... you may have a very good point. Where are they going to get the cars and drivers from? FOTA should call Max's bluff. Even if there are 10 new teams, they have no staff, no facilities, no drivers, no sponsors... it takes ages to set up an F1 team and these gys would have to come up with the goods in January! |
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| stradlin24 | Jun 4 2009, 01:14 PM Post #9 |
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But at the same time don’t expect it to be plain sailing for FOTA if a breakaway happens Who would be the sanctioning body? Themselves? Therefore they’d have to gain there own contracts with circuits and under massive pressure from Bernie I can hardly imagine the current F1 circuits letting FOTA host races. So they’d be 17 or so tracks less to chose from….plus what about potential revenue, tv contracts etc And that’s only scratching at the surface, who would be the leader of a FOTA series? It would be a complete mess |
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| John | Jun 4 2009, 01:15 PM Post #10 |
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So much is up in the air and uncertain but IF the FOTA teams did manage to form a new series racing at the circuits abandoned by Bernie and IF it attracted the fans and sponsors.... Would they welcome Williams into the series, after all they only exist to race but only race in F1 as there is no other series available to them... but a FOTA series would be |
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| stradlin24 | Jun 4 2009, 01:21 PM Post #11 |
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I don't think a FOTA series would ever work, that's my opinion When the IRL broke away from CART in 1996, the IRL had a real leader with real ideas in Tony George, a man who had a vision and the man that should have been CART president before 96 But I don't see FOTA having access to a person of that calibre, Luca Del Monte? I think not.... You know that whatever happens, the FIA will have a massive upper hand because if needs be they could self fund the new entries and almost fake a successful series given the immense power they have with circuits and tv companies FOTA will have to completley go it alone and I can see political problems within FOTA strangling a potential series before it even got started. Plus if they aren't racing at F1 tracks then where wil they race? Will alternative tracks be up to 2010 safety standards? Will FOTA be willing to risk drivers safety as they try and put on a good show? So many unanswered questions before we've even got anything nearly started, but the current situation between FOTA and the FIA is a massive cause for concern Breakaway series CAN work as the IRL have proved but in the case of FOTA I just do not see it happening. Would they have a situation in 10 years when they defeat the FIA like IRL defeated CART/Champ Car? I just don't see it, my opinion When the IRL merged back with Champ Car it was under IRL rules at IRL tracks with IRL cars with the IRL leaders. Can you honestly see that happening with FOTA and the FIA? I'd say the current situation is a huge danger to international motorsports and the FIA and FOTA must come to an agreement before any serious action is taken *gets ready for barrage of critisism* |
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| everythingoes | Jun 4 2009, 01:42 PM Post #12 |
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Valid points all, stradlin. The one decisive factor will be Bernie. If I'm not wrong, then Bernie controls the contracts with the tracks, not FIA. So, if he figures theres more money to be made with the FOTA series, then thats the side he will go to bed (figuratively speaking) with. Suddenly, theres the elusive lead figure. I don't believe Bernie will have any qualms dumping Max, if it comes to it. He loves his money, does Bernie. Speculation apart, I don't think it will come to a breakaway series. Both sides have too much to lose. There will be some sort of compromise. Brokered by Bernie. |
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| RJHSaints | Jun 4 2009, 01:55 PM Post #13 |
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Completely agree with stradlin, the only way we will get a satisfactory solution is if the two sides sit down and agree a compromise. While I believe there are in theory enough tracks to base an alternative F1 championship on (examples: Silverstone, Jerez, Paul Ricard, Nurburgring, Mugello, whichever one of the Japanese tracks isn't being used by F1, etc.) the political problems inherent in such a proposal would kill it. |
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| John | Jun 4 2009, 02:02 PM Post #14 |
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Of course some FOTA members like BMW, TOYOTA and Renault may just decide to not race open wheels in 2010 anywhere... I mean given the economic climate they may decide a sabbatical is a better option all together and explore other series at a later date.... where that leave Ferrari is not sure but they have already said they would consider returning as a works team to Le Mans |
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| timmadigan | Jun 4 2009, 04:21 PM Post #15 |
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I could see IMSA sticking it to Max and sanctioning the body -- or like Nascar or the IRL, they could do their own. As to tracks, there are a lot of tracks who'd jump at the less-restricted FOTA cars (with probably a cheaper track signing fee that Bernie has) vs hosting highly restricted, cheaper F1 cars with little known drivers or teams. They could specialize in Europe with a couple of races in Asia (Fuji?) and the Americas (Canada, Mexico?).... Heck, TG doesn't seem to like the FIA so they could go back to Indy. It would be tough at the start but given the size and name-power of the teams involved, it's feasible as long as you're willing to lose money in the first year or so. |
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