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Turkey; Predictions
Topic Started: Jun 2 2009, 01:55 PM (574 Views)
Iberiafromoz
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Well, If a Brawns 1-2 is what's going to happen then the season will be over for me... :( but there's still a very exciting MotoGP with "logic" rules to satisfy my needs. :)
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Red Bull, Ferrari and presumably Mclaren, BMW and Renault are going to use their new diffusers this weekend, which should bring them in line with the Brawns while the KERS should help make up some places at the start, so we ought to see the Brawns having to work a lot harder for their points than they have been up til now.
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jun 4 2009
12:01 PM
... while the KERS should help make up some places at the start

I did not think KERS could be employed from standing starts or below 100kph... <think>
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John,Jun 4 2009
11:04 AM
Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jun 4 2009
12:01 PM
... while the KERS should help make up some places at the start

I did not think KERS could be employed from standing starts or below 100kph... <think>

I think that there's enough track before turn 1 to get above 100kph and do a little passing at Turkey, somthing which Monaco doesn't have.

It's ridiculous that KERS is not allowed to be used off the start line! What is the bloody point?!?!
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Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jun 4 2009
11:19 AM
John,Jun 4 2009
11:04 AM
Alien_SAP_Fiend,Jun 4 2009
12:01 PM
... while the KERS should help make up some places at the start

I did not think KERS could be employed from standing starts or below 100kph... <think>

I think that there's enough track before turn 1 to get above 100kph and do a little passing at Turkey, somthing which Monaco doesn't have.

It's ridiculous that KERS is not allowed to be used off the start line! What is the bloody point?!?!

+1

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TheCompleteGuitarist
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Wouldn't KERS off the line cause a excess power surge and more likely lead to wheel spin negating its impact. We don't have traction control.
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I think KERS is allowed to be used off the line, I believe John was just pointing out that it would be impractical to use it below 100kph as the wheels would spin excessively.

Maybe.

It certainly has been used off the grid in earlier races this year and I cannot remember any new edicts from the FIA banning it since then, so I assume it is still allowed.

There's a slight chance that if Massa puts in a brilliant qualifying lap, he could win the race, but realistically it's only a very slim chance as the Brawns are about 2-3 tenths clear of the field at the moment. A podium is more likely, which in itself would be no mean achievement for a man who three race ago had not scored a point this year.
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TheCompleteGuitarist,Jun 4 2009
07:05 PM
Wouldn't KERS off the line cause a excess power surge and more likely lead to wheel spin negating its impact. We don't have traction control.

Thats right, KERS power off the line is a waste, for the reason you've mentioned. But the longer distance before the first turn that Turkey provides, allows the KERS cars to get upto speed and activate the boost to make places.

Kimi mentioned that when explaining why he couldn't get past the Brawns or even hold his place in Monaco at the start.
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I have definitely heard it stated from multiple sources, including Our Lord Martin Brundle, that you can't use KERS until you're past 100kmh. Haven't heard why, except for some hint that this could be used as some kind of automatic traction control / launch control.

However, since I've also seen the statistic that they can accelerate to 200kmh in about 4 seconds, they can probably use kers approx 1.5 seconds after the start.


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That's what I've heard and read too. KERS does not function under 100kmh or 62mph, meaning that it cannot be used immediately off of the line. This is to prevent some clever people from programming the KERS device with some form of traction control instead of using the ignition system to do it. After all, unless it is wet, over 60mph there's not going to be as significant advantage to having T/C as there would at lower speeds.
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Looks like I'm the only one who actually wants a Brawn 1,2
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spottygiraffe,Jun 4 2009
12:47 PM
Looks like I'm the only one who actually wants a Brawn 1,2

I'm sure Ross, Jenson and Rubens all do.
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GordonB,Jun 4 2009
03:47 PM
I have definitely heard it stated from multiple sources, including Our Lord Martin Brundle, that you can't use KERS until you're past 100kmh. Haven't heard why, except for some hint that this could be used as some kind of automatic traction control / launch control.

However, since I've also seen the statistic that they can accelerate to 200kmh in about 4 seconds, they can probably use kers approx 1.5 seconds after the start.

it is also to stop driver that have stalled or run out of petrol to start the engine or finish the race

I also got the feeling that it turns it self off when the engine not running

Mark
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Rob,Jun 4 2009
05:58 PM
spottygiraffe,Jun 4 2009
12:47 PM
Looks like I'm the only one who actually wants a Brawn 1,2

I'm sure Ross, Jenson and Rubens all do.

And I make it 5.

Although it's true to say that some non KERS cars have found it difficult to pass KERS cars, JB has done and won the race as a result of doing so. Something Vettel struggled with and quite possible lost races because of.

KERS is not invincible. I also think a clever use of super softs in Monaco gave the Brawns a good start against the KERS of Kimi, though I suspect the actual start there was not really conducive to KERS. Just my opinions though.
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spottygiraffe,Jun 4 2009
06:47 PM
Looks like I'm the only one who actually wants a Brawn 1,2

I'd be more than pleased with a Brawn 1-22 (in Jenson's favour naturally)
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